Swedish speaking areas in Finland

[foca]

Mandatory Swedish to all became reality in 1970's. What peace was about to be broken - and what was the connection to Åland? As for the requirement that all Finnish civil servants (and not just civil service as an organization) are supposed to know Swedish, also there you have no connection to the islands. We have only agreed to maintain their purely Swedish institutions.

What happened in 1970 is the result of a long development. On practical level mandatory Swedish in 7 to 9 grades in Finland is a joke. In essence if one does not want to learn it and is not going to apply to lukio one is left without any practical knowledge of it. At best one can say only very simple things. As for connection to Ålands , you quite right , there is no direct connection between the islands and the Swedish language in a Finland , and yet , if the language question had not been resolved the way it did , Sweden had ample chances to make the island issue hot.

So what exactly is the compromise from the Swedish side?

They chose to work with Finns , learn their language, even fight wars together (instead of immigrating to Sweden to sit out the war) . Is it not enough of a compromise?

[Rip]

On practical level mandatory Swedish in 7 to 9 grades in Finland is a joke.

So it does not even work in practice, but you still insist it is a good idea?

if the language question had not been resolved the way it did , Sweden had ample chances to make the island issue hot.

In 1970's? You got to be kidding, right?

So what exactly is the compromise from the Swedish side?

They chose to work with Finns , learn their language, even fight wars together (instead of immigrating to Sweden to sit out the war) . Is it not enough of a compromise?

I thought you were talking about Swedes in Sweden, but anyway, doing work like everybody else (even participating in war when there is one) is no compromise, anymore not going around and committing arsons.

[foca]

On practical level mandatory Swedish in 7 to 9 grades in Finland is a joke.

So it does not even work in practice, but you still insist it is a good idea?

It is better than nothing and gives certain perspective to children to understand that language diversity exists in the society. If they go further to lukio it a solid ground to build upon, if not- they will still be able to say how much a customer shall pay at a filling station.

if the language question had not been resolved the way it did , Sweden had ample chances to make the island issue hot.

In 1970's? You got to be kidding, right?[/quote]
Who said anything about 1970 in relation to Ålands? Certainly not me.. I obviously referred to a more than a hundred year old question of Ålands.

So what exactly is the compromise from the Swedish side?

They chose to work with Finns , learn their language, even fight wars together (instead of immigrating to Sweden to sit out the war) . Is it not enough of a compromise?[/quote]
I thought you were talking about Swedes in Sweden, but anyway, doing work like everybody else (even participating in war when there is one) is no compromise, anymore not going around and committing arsons.[/quote]

Well you accept the fact that they had a choice and they choose the hard reality if war against relative safety of neutral Sweden . It is a very commendable compromise.

[foca]

[On practical level mandatory Swedish in 7 to 9 grades in Finland is a joke.

So it does not even work in practice, but you still insist it is a good idea?

It is better than nothing and gives certain perspective to children to understand that language diversity exists in the society. If they go further to lukio it a solid ground to build upon, if not- they will still be able to say how much a customer shall pay at a filling station in Swedish.

If the language question had not been resolved the way it did , Sweden had ample chances to make the island issue hot.

In 1970's? You got to be kidding, right?

Who said anything about 1970 s in relation to Ålands? Certainly not me.. I obviously referred to a more than a hundred year old question of Ålands.

So what exactly is the compromise from the Swedish side?

They chose to work with Finns , learn their language, even fight wars together (instead of immigrating to Sweden to sit out the war) . Is it not enough of a compromise?

I thought you were talking about Swedes in Sweden, but anyway, doing work like everybody else (even participating in war when there is one) is no compromise, anymore not going around and committing arsons.

Well , the fact is that they had a choice and they chose the hard reality of war against relative safety of neutral Sweden . If you ask me , It is a very commendable compromise, on their side. On comparison , Baltic germans chose to flee from the Baltic countries in 1939 prior to the Soviet invasion.

[Upphew]

If the language question had not been resolved the way it did , Sweden had ample chances to make the island issue hot.

In 1970's? You got to be kidding, right?

Who said anything about 1970 s in relation to Ålands? Certainly not me.. I obviously referred to a more than a hundred year old question of Ålands.

We are talking about mandatory Swedish, the once that came with comprehensive school system. In seventies. I have hard time believing that Swedes would have made the Åland issue hot when that thing was resolved...

[foca]

Mandatory Swedish , the way it is institutionalized in the Finnish education system, is a result of many years of deliberation, politic power play even civil disturbances. Same goes to Ålands. - present day situation there is a result of many years of finding a system that is agreeable to anyone. I never stated that it has direct connection to 1970 s decision on mandatory Swedish.

[Oho]

Mandatory Swedish , the way it is institutionalized in the Finnish education system, is a result of many years of deliberation, politic power play even civil disturbances. Same goes to Ålands. - present day situation there is a result of many years of finding a system that is agreeable to anyone. I never stated that it has direct connection to 1970 s decision on mandatory Swedish.

Indeed mandatory Swedish is a glaring reminder how badly lacking Finnish democracy is in democracy....

[onkko]

present day situation there is a result of many years of finding a system that is agreeable to anyone

There you are wrong, tiny minority had power to get what they wanted on exchange of vote for other parties and got it. Majority never wanted that. Its not agreeable to anyone.
That tiny minority also wanted to ban finnish schools, til last years gave medal named by swennoman who said finns were inferior, blocked relocating of carelians in "their" areas, blocked bilingual schools because "they may speak finnish in recess", Keep up system where borderquard in russian border has to be able speak swedish etc...
Its far from acceptable and only reason i can see why its not abolished is money swedish funds have, RKP ability to vote anything regardless their opinions and arrogance of reporters who are like "look im good person" by disagreeing majority and getting "sädekehä" for being so "progressive and tolerant".

Do you have any real reason why i should learn swedish instead of russian or german or anything else?

[foca]

Indeed mandatory Swedish is a glaring reminder how badly lacking Finnish democracy is in democracy....

If you ask me, any present day democracy is overrated.

[foca]

There you are wrong, tiny minority had power to get what they wanted on exchange of vote for other parties and got it. Majority never wanted that. Its not agreeable to anyone.
That tiny minority also wanted to ban finnish schools, til last years gave medal named by swennoman who said finns were inferior, blocked relocating of carelians in "their" areas, blocked bilingual schools because "they may speak finnish in recess", Keep up system where borderquard in russian border has to be able speak swedish etc...
Its far from acceptable and only reason i can see why its not abolished is money swedish funds have, RKP ability to vote anything regardless their opinions and arrogance of reporters who are like "look im good person" by disagreeing majority and getting "sädekehä" for being so "progressive and tolerant".

Do you have any real reason why i should learn swedish instead of russian or german or anything else?

All the reasons are explained above in detail. You seem to want to live in the 18th century holding a grudge against Swedish people. You are free to do so... while learning Russian by choice ...

[onkko]

All the reasons are explained above in detail. You seem to want to live in the 18th century holding a grudge against Swedish people. You are free to do so... while learning Russian by choice ...

There is no reason to learn swedish and my examples were from 1900s and 2000s. And there is no real choice when mandatory swedish takes place of language and you cant get higher education without it.