Kela child allowance on schengen Visa?

cheibbbfinlandforum · Post by **cheibbbfinlandforum** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:19 am

Hi,
If a child (Non-Eu), 2 years old, came to Finland, on Visa (01.01.2014) and residence permit approved after that (01.07.2014), after entry to Finland by 6 months a residence permit was issued. is it possible to claim child allowance from Kela for the past months (6 months) or it can be paid only from the date when the residence permit was issued ? anybody here have similar situation or can say something? Thanks

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betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:25 am

cheibbbfinlandforum wrote:Hi,
If a child (Non-Eu), 2 years old, came to Finland, on Visa (01.01.2014) and residence permit approved after that (01.07.2014), after entry to Finland by 6 months a residence permit was issued. is it possible to claim child allowance from Kela for the past months (6 months) or it can be paid only from the date when the residence permit was issued ? anybody here have similar situation or can say something? Thanks

http://www.kela.fi/web/en/child-benefit_how-to-claim

"Child benefit can be paid in arrears for a maximum of 6 months from the date when the claim was submitted."

Eligibility for child benefit is based on the general eligibility Finnish social security:

http://www.kela.fi/web/en/residence

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:59 am

Are we talkng about your child?

(the lapsilisä isn't paid to the child, but to a parent or guardian)

cheibbbfinlandforum · Post by **cheibbbfinlandforum** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:49 am

The eligibility is based on the parent and according to the complaining in the press, can be paid to anyone who qualifies for Kela coverage, including if your permanent address is not in Finland and your children are not in Finland (as long as you work here or work for a Finnish company and pay Finnish taxes and are eligible for Kela).

To the OP. It won't be valid from the time the parent or child arrives, but from the day that Kela decided you were eligible for Kela. That'll usually be the day of your residence permit, but ask Kela.

Hi,
Thanks, for reply..
The officer at Kela were not sure when the eligibility to lapsilisä started; was from date of arrival into Finland OR from the issue date of residence permit!!. They forward the application to the international unit to decide about it. The parents (or at least the father) were in Finland for many years before the child join in Finland. Does it have effect in this case ? since the lapsilisä is paid anyway to the parents..

GermanInHelsinki · Post by **GermanInHelsinki** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:58 am

The child benefit can of course only be paid when the child is eligible for Kela coverage.

Kela coverage does of course not start before the child is allowed to reside in Finland. The child is of course not allowed to reside in Finland before the residence permit is granted.

Rules between EU countries are of course different, and of course irrelevant here.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:17 am

GermanInHelsinki wrote:The child benefit can of course only be paid when the child is eligible for Kela coverage.

Considering the child benefit isn't a benefit of the child really, what makes this an 'of course'?

cheibbbfinlandforum · Post by **cheibbbfinlandforum** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:02 pm

GermanInHelsinki wrote:
The child benefit can of course only be paid when the child is eligible for Kela coverage.

Considering the child benefit isn't a benefit of the child really, what makes this an 'of course'?

I don't know either why it is "of course" since the concern are parents not the child. By the way, to GermanInHelsinki, have you encountered similar case or it is based on your own interpretation? Thanks

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:19 pm

cheibbbfinlandforum wrote:
GermanInHelsinki wrote:
The child benefit can of course only be paid when the child is eligible for Kela coverage.

Considering the child benefit isn't a benefit of the child really, what makes this an 'of course'?
I don't know either why it is "of course" since the concern are parents not the child. By the way, to GermanInHelsinki, have you encountered similar case or it is based on your own interpretation? Thanks

GermanInHelsinki rites "of course" to every sentence (search his profile and be surprised). This means you must always mentally ignore the of courses since they don't mean anything.

cheibbbfinlandforum · Post by **cheibbbfinlandforum** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:31 am

It'll be the date of official residence of the parent, I suspect. They (and you) will have a date that Kela has decided that you became eligible for Kela coverage. You might have this paper already.

And ignore the "of course" comment because it's incorrect. Eligibility is based on the parent, not the child.

Thanks for reply
Yes, I do remember when I got Kela coverage, It was several years ago, before my child joined me here in Finland. So, if they decide on that ground I will be eligible as one of parent from the date of child arrival to Finland (6 months ago).
I was wondering, Is this apply to other child benefits or just the child allowance (lapsilisä)?

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:00 am

Hum, I don't know if its EU & non-EU difference in rules, but EU-workers get lapsilisä from non-resident kids.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:09 am

tummansininen wrote: And ignore the "of course" comment because it's incorrect. Eligibility is based on the parent, not the child.

I doubt this. The Act on child allowance (no unofficial translation available) section 1 seems to say that it's based on the decision for the child:

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1992/19920796#P1

Section 1a says that it can also be paid to kids of foreign employees filling the conditions laid out.

It should also be noted that child allowance can be paid to other EU countries because of EU legislation:

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/kotimaa/art-1 ... 13062.html

For example for Estonians working in Finland and the kids in Estonia, Finland compensates for the difference between Estonian and Finnish child allowance.

cheibbbfinlandforum · Post by **cheibbbfinlandforum** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:18 pm

Just to put final outcomes for this thread..
The authorities finally ruled out that the Läpsilisä is linked to the child NOT parent and BOTH parents have to be covered by the social system. The eligibility of Läpsilisä is determined based on the date registered at Maistraatti even with Schengen Visa and no permit is issued yet. However, a residence permit application has to be initiated to be eligible for anything linked to child.

Honest · Post by **Honest** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:31 pm

betelgeuse wrote:[

For example for Estonians working in Finland and the kids in Estonia, Finland compensates for the difference between Estonian and Finnish child allowance.

This statement and the decision received by the OP seem to be contradictory.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:44 pm

Honest wrote:
betelgeuse wrote:[

For example for Estonians working in Finland and the kids in Estonia, Finland compensates for the difference between Estonian and Finnish child allowance.

This statement and the decision received by the OP seem to be contradictory.

It's probably explained by the fact that the OP is not a EU citizen which Estonians are.

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