Talk about Dual Citizenship

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[harryc]

harryc wrote:
Yes - but it will be a can of worms if you try to also be a US citizen or have it applied to a child - and can well be the same 'can' for many other countries.


but that also has no real relevance regarding the interests of Finland.

Except I assumed that this conversation was taking place in Finland - and there will be another country thus involved - and was saying that those rules and regulations are usually very complicated - and thus one may possibly not get any nationality in addition to the Finnish - and if the mother is not Finnish there will be the question of possibly not being Finnish even if one is born in Finland (Finland uses Jus sanguinis).

So it's all quite relevant to Finland - and actually I was not talking about anything else but the case being in Finland.

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and thus one may possibly not get any nationality in addition to the Finnish

In which case there is no dual citizenship, and therefore scrapping dual citizenship in Finnish legislation would change nothing for such a person - so I don't see why to even bother to raise such an irrelevant example in this thread?

[harryc]

That was just one possibility IN ADDITION to the other things that indeed are relevant.

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That was just one possibility IN ADDITION to the other things that indeed are relevant.

such as?

[harryc]

Such as:

(For a person with Finnish mother - and US citizen father)

Birth abroad to one United States citizen:
A person born on or after November 14, 1986 (possibly not), is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[9]
The person's parents were married at time of birth (good chance not - particularly in Finland)
One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
The citizen parent lived at least five years in the United States before the child's birth (possibly not)
A minimum of two of these five years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday. (possibly not)

All kinds of possibilities thus for NOT granting the dual citizenship - please note that I posted it as a 'by the way' to someone concerned about the 'inheritance' of dual citizenship - I was just cautioning that it is not to be assumed. And I believe that's relevant enough, thank you.

And that's just one example of one country where dual citizenship might not be in play for children.

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And I believe that's relevant enough, thank you.

You may consider it to be relevant to somebody's else's post here (and I have no motivation arguing on that), but regarding the original topic of the thread, it is not. Scrapping the dual citizenship would be relevant to those that have one (or could get one) in the first place.

[harryc]

It's quite enough - in the function of a forum - to comment on anyone else's posts if the 'whole' is related to the topic.

Someone was interested in inherited dual citizenship and I made a 'by the way' caution about too much assumption there. And a few more also entered the 'children' aspect. So, thanks, but my comments were more than relevant to the conversation of the thread.

[foca]

You're right. It's unlikely they would inherit both from one parent because most countries don't grant citizenship to the third generation. That is, the dual parent has inherited at least one from a country they weren't born in, and they usually can't pass that on. For an example, I was born dual Aust & Brit. But my Brit is "by descent" - I wasn't born there - so although my father was born in the UK and gave it to me, I can't give it to my own children and they were born only with Australian. This is the norm for a child born of a "dually".

But kids of duallies in Finland will often get two at birth anyway. Usually the "foreign" parent's country of birth, plus Finnish from the other parent.

Since I now have my Finnish citizenship too, if I had a kid tomorrow it would be dual Aus-Fin, even if there were no father on the records. So it's possible to inherit two from one parent... but I am pretty unusual.

If what you said about UK is true, then British approach to the question of passing citizenship to the "third generation" s a bit unusual. The standard procedure in most countries is that if one of the parents has the particular country citizenship it can be passed to the child, regardless of how the said citizenship was obtained (by birth or by naturalization). In essence the country of one's citizenship should not care (and in most cases does not care) about other citizenships that are "available" to ones child by foreign law , practice or the place or residence. Most of restrictions are applied at the coming of age , when a young person should make a choice if multiple citizenship is not allowed in a particular country. So I know cases when a child has double Russian-German citizenship due to a mixed marriage . Russia will not ask the child to change drop German citizenship, while Germany may (if the German authorities ever learn about the Russian citizenship ).
Certain restriction also are applied to those children that were naturalized in Finland - they may loose Finnish citizenship at 22, unless they can prove that the have not lost ties with Finland. Though such cases legally almost unknown in Finland

[foca]

And another thing - it is not dual , but double or multiple citizenship that we are talking about.

[tjawatts]

It is true what she said about the UK system. If you inherit UK citizenship by descent and never live in the UK then you cannot pass your citizenship to your children.

T

[foca]

It is true what she said about the UK system. If you inherit UK citizenship by descent and never live in the UK then you cannot pass your citizenship to your children.

T

in that case the UK system deviate from most of other EU countries. But let them be.....