The importance of Finnish SSN for banks and e-asiointi

[Alex.Sm]

Can't really find any mention of racism by the OP.

It's a flawed argument to say go and experience discrimination in Iraq or whatever. Those countries and the said people don't claim to be an equal, democratic and free of discrimination society, while Finland claims to be one. So one who comes here expects these things.

Not saying the OP is right in all what he/she said but I feel a bit sick when people try to curb critical talks/thinking and ensuing discussions. There is always place for improvement.

@Honest:

Your answer is something like: "I don't give a damn that ISIS is beheading people in Iraq and Syria, I don't give a damn that people die of hunger and diseases in Africa, I don't give a damn that women are stoned to death because they have been raped, I just give a damn that the bank doesn't want to offer me full web services here in Finland because is democratic and free as they claim!".

Man you don't know much about surrounding world! Maybe you have seen things on TV, Discovery channel about how other people live in other countries or not at all! But visit any of those countries as a tourist 2-3 days not more, and you will come back and be happy. I've been there I've seen that! After that you will run at full speed to Maistratti and get the SSN extract when the bank asks you so and you will even keep a smile on your face because you are happy to live in a free and democratic country!

Sorry but my respect goes to those struggle to live every day, and fight for their life every day, and try to get food for their family every day, and for those that are not sure of their life and for those that are stoned to death because have been raped, and and and ... for you I have no respect because all you care is your civilized but to get full services!

[faronel]

Nordea policies may have changed, lets say during the past five years, possibly more than once. You don't know whose fault it is that the information has not reached properly the lowest level.

Still does not change the fact that from the client perspective, the client was misinformed and bank, in a sense, is liable for this, if the client went on making a formal complaint. P.S. I went to bank with my Maistraati's extract yesterday and the full access is now available. However, the funny thing is that, if I got the tell from last clerk's nonverbal behavior right, the very first clerk wrote in their system (i.e. a short overview of my issue and their "solution" to it) that she demanded a Finnish ID from me (leaving a trace of a misconduct).

For now I would still not take it for granted that every other bank has same policy (worth trying, of course)

Good point!

Alex, man, I won't engage in your trolling. I will only reply once and only to a small portion of your text because I don't really care (interpret that however you want). You start of by bashing off "the bad immigrants" and then say that your heart goes to those struggling in the third world. Have you ever thought that the reason that, at least, a part of those "bad immigrants" are "misbehaving" exactly due to the very issues you described here? Have a nightmarish childhood in some slums and then try to be an upstanding resident in another high-end society.

[Honest]

Doesn't matter how hard you try and whatever you do, you can never be a Finn, and getting Finnish citizenship doesn't make you a Finn it only makes you a Finnish citizen.

[onkko]

Alex, man, I won't engage in your trolling. I will only reply once and only to a small portion of your text because I don't really care (interpret that however you want). You start of by bashing off "the bad immigrants" and then say that your heart goes to those struggling in the third world. Have you ever thought that the reason that, at least, a part of those "bad immigrants" are "misbehaving" exactly due to the very issues you described here? Have a nightmarish childhood in some slums and then try to be an upstanding resident in another high-end society.

Why should we care? If you cant behave then you cant behave. If you cant behave then you shouldnt be in "high-end society". Being in high-end society for foreigners isnt human right so dont let door hit you while you depart, we wont miss you.

[cors187]

Excessively complicated administrative procedure + drone =wishy-washy

Good work identifying the minimum requirement though
Ive been hit with the Finnish ID thing before, its a pain ,especially when you have to wait for that too.

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Stalin wrote
we have small lies , big lies and statistics

sound familiar

[cors187]

Hey lets face it , the bank clerk was only shooting for something she knew off-hand. But the clerk should have been more informed if a decision impacts the service.After all its a service.

Anyone whose visited a blowarse eastern blocker or a generally defective nation and been hit with mis-info knows that, "most of the time you dont have a choice, you will have to come back to the same desk,lol".
But here we have choices, yay. Reminds me of a better country i once knew

[Pursuivant]

Its got to do with "strong identification" & the small print. The Finnish I.D. Is the only acceptable form to "strongly identify" you for the e-asiointi that uses the "trust" of the bank systems' integrity. I used to have a chip&pin in my ID card, but the government gave up on that as the banks' system was already there and nobody wanted an extra chip reader (as the banks don't use them in Finland). Opening a bank account is "one set of rules" and establishing yourself as said, is tying your ID number into the system which is "other set of rules". The Finnish "system" depends on the "computer" being always correct, and if you are from the village of Pigs-in-Fields, where you prove your address with a gas bill, obviously you will have trouble comprehending "how stuff works".

Usually the "discrimination" is faced by people too thick to understand the rules are different than what they are "at home" and that also they are not "at home" and need to do things accordingly. The retards in government and the drones implementing those rules are the same in every country. So if you don't know how to do stuff, look in the mirror first who is doing things wrong, or lacking "the paper everyone has" but "does not exist". Then you learn on how to deal with those impediments. Like how to deal with a request for a "birth certificate" or even better, provide a simple paper you get with a phone call from maistraatti that you are alive, not married and with no children... Well it ain't gotten from any office in Pigs-in-Fields I tell you that, bloody discrimination had to pay £140 for a solicitor!

[harryc]

I still have Chip and Pin. In new ones I guess they have RFIDs too...

Are you possibly talking about your credit card and not your ID?