Electronic passport renewal

[harryc]

IP number + random !"#¤%. Wont click. 99% sure worm or other kind of malicious stuff.

I don't know what was going on - I got correct Eduskunta page at 0:02 (just minutes after OP posted link - BEFORE any edit).

Address that shows on page in my browser history is:

http://217.71.145.20/TRIPviewer/show.as ... .fi&f=WORD)

[Rip]

For Onkko: I do not know exactly why I one gets IP number links with our parliaments web server. You must have heard of tools to connect ip number to its name and owner?

As for the questions in the original post, no I do not know anything else about the matter, and it does say in the text

Sähköinen vireillepano ja kevennetty hakemusmenettely eivät alkuvaiheessa koskisi ulkomailla oleskelevia Suomen kansalaisia heidän hakiessaan passia ulkomaan edustustosta. Sähköisen asioinnin käyttöönotto Suomen edustustoissa edellyttäisi merkittäviä tietojärjestelmämuutoksia. Lisäksi ulkomailla oleskelevilla Suomen kansalaisilla ei usein ole käytettävissään vahvaa sähköistä tunnistamisvälinettä.

- so that would be the situation for now, but would likely change some time later.

So, added to the things one can (soon) do with banks codes in your possession is to get a new passport with that identity. Better to keep those safe.

[inkku]

http://www.eduskunta.fi/valtiopaivaasiat/he+85/2014

Does anyone have any other resources about the subject? Whether or not Finns abroad will be able to benefit from this service. Reading through the amendment, it says Finns abroad can renew online but the passport can only be delivered to a Finnish address, hopefully this later changes to have it delivered to a Finnish mission.

Already now passports can be collected at Finnish Embassies.

[harryc]

Lisäksi ulkomailla oleskelevilla Suomen kansalaisilla ei usein ole käytettävissään vahvaa sähköistä tunnistamisvälinettä.

I find that text more than interesting - it's the first time I see any official understanding of the reality that many people right here in Finland (eg rural areas) do not have good access to the internet - and even cell phones in some cases. That fact has not stopped some bureaucrat sitting on Esplanaadi from making some new process that makes it almost compulsory to use the net.

[Pursuivant]

For foreign residents its not got to do anything about having internet or a 14400 modem and a carrier pigeon. Its got to do with e-asiointi. Basically, as you live abroad, they can't trust any other authority - except the embassy - to verify that "you is you". I mean, if you prove your name and address with a gas bill... You need to go to the Embassy with your passport ( and the gas bill)...

I only moan I'll have to waste a whole damn day getting to the Embassy as theyr opening hours are so random - then again it could be worse living further out as it'd take two days...

[harryc]

The option of applying at the police station will still be available.

I wasn't so much referring to the possibility to get some service (with great difficulty for many rural, poorer and 'older' people) as I was that many bureaucrats think everyone has 100MB speed and computers - these same rural, poorer and older folks also have long trips to get any personal services as there are fewer and fewer offices of ANY type being maintained.

(By the way - even for Helsinki the only place where you can do any police business these days is in Pasila.)

[Pursuivant]

But you can go to an "yhteispalvelupiste" say like the one in Myyrmäki library to renew ypur stuff. An you can do it "not in your home town".

Mind you, anything in the UK is done these days by mail - they have like one office in the whole country to "do stuff" at in person. So you just chuck all your ID's in an envelope and hope they come back one day...

[Upphew]

I wasn't so much referring to the possibility to get some service (with great difficulty for many rural, poorer and 'older' people) as I was that many bureaucrats think everyone has 100MB speed and computers - these same rural, poorer and older folks also have long trips to get any personal services as there are fewer and fewer offices of ANY type being maintained.

100MB not, but 1MB yes. And that should be enough to show any web page.

[Upphew]

Mind you, anything in the UK is done these days by mail - they have like one office in the whole country to "do stuff" at in person. So you just chuck all your ID's in an envelope and hope they come back one day...

Royal Mail doesn't lose as much stuff as our Posti?

[harryc]

harryc wrote:
I wasn't so much referring to the possibility to get some service (with great difficulty for many rural, poorer and 'older' people) as I was that many bureaucrats think everyone has 100MB speed and computers - these same rural, poorer and older folks also have long trips to get any personal services as there are fewer and fewer offices of ANY type being maintained.

100MB not, but 1MB yes. And that should be enough to show any web page.

(Should have written 100 Mbps - sorry.) In today's hi-speed urban optical etc. world - many sites require very high (expensive) speeds to get them working (they're designed with all kinds of photos, videos, etc. built in) - before a computer or regular phone will 'time out' or otherwise jam. I have not been referring to the Eira/Hki Yuppie world but rural, older and poorer folk - just go to Siuntio which is right next to the PK area and try to get proper net access. A significant part of the population is being 'left out.' And when the matter comes up with so-called Customer Service departments - both public and private - they say it is a real problem that they see many times on a daily basis.