Finns are discriminated in their own country

[Alex.Sm]

Moro,

Has anybody read this article: http://yle.fi/uutiset/kokoomusedustaja_ ... en/7446119

And what makes my blood boil is when I hear foreigners screaming and nagging that are discriminated in Finland as quite few around here!

[Honest]

I think you couldn't understand what's written there. Read in English, then your blood will stop boiling because her claims are baseless and the usual rant about foreigners to increase her vote bannk.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/national_coalitio ... se/7446624

[Rick1]

Kokoomus takes very good care of their own ones. Try to find out how much the highest 'boss' (kokoomus) of Espoo is getting; Suomen kaupunginjohtajista kovinta palkkaa, noin 15 100 euroa kuussa, nostaa Espoon Jukka Mäkelä. Do not hear her complaining about that.

YLE same story, old 'boss' (SDP) earned about 15k, new (kokoomus) about 25k. Last year they had some money left from our paid yle tax which went as bonusses to highest bosses only. Now the lady is coming back with her story that she did not know what she was talking about. I do agree anyhow that things should be the same for everybody but it seems that many highbreeding foreigners just seem to get more out of the social system because of its history.

[Nimi]

"Hard times calls for drastic measures" the economy is not getting better any loophole that saps or causes canker worm to the system should be addressed , it is not about immigrant or citizen issues, as all hand must be on deck to help put things right. The system is built to cater for difficulties, but that does not mean it should be abused, over-stretched or unequally appropriated.

We should be proud that people are out there pointing out this inefficiencies in the society before it gets really out of control. The truth is I do not see anywhere I can move with my family to when things get out of control economically, rather I see a country where things are still far much better than others economically. So the citizens have to take appropriate steps to fix their home before it collapses.

[DMC]

So the social services provide a contribution to the cost of a pram that is not enough to cover a new one. Recipients can either buy a used one or add some extra money and buy a new one.

Immigrants are likely to have a less extensive network of friends and family around them, one of whom might offer a used pram they no longer use. Also an immigrant with an imperfect knowledge of the language and the market for used items would find it much harder to locate and bargain for a used pram on the open market.

So is anyone really surprised that an immigrant would find it much harder (than a native Finn) to locate and buy a used pram? That an immigrant would be more likely to (have to) buy a new pram?

[Honest]

And what makes my blood boil is when I hear foreigners screaming and nagging that are discriminated in Finland as quite few around here!

When I see that kind of rhetoric, I'm always reminded by the Simpsons episode where Apu becomes an American citizen and starts complaining about immigrants

[Beep_Boop]

Ahhhaaaahaha... Finns are discriminated against... hahahahaaahehehe.. and your blood is boiling?

First of all, of course saying "Finns are discriminated against and we should stop it" sounds a lot better for the voting booth than "There are some cases of welfare fraud and we need to take measures to stop that". As usual, political stunts and politicians.

Where's your boiling blood about Laura Räty's thousands of hidden tax money? Where's your boiling blood about tens of highly paid doctors using that loophole so they can escape paying their duties?

You see, I'm all for cracking down on welfare fraudsters, more responsible immigration laws (conditioning welfare benefits on successful integration, deporting immigrant criminals, removing the racism stigma from legitimate legal actions against immigrants, etc.), a less relaxed attitude towards EU, etc. etc.
However, on the other hand, I'm very much against this policy of selling !"#¤% that people like you will buy and get their "blood boiling".

To say that Finns are discriminated against in their own country is idiotic (this is not to say that it cannot happen, but it's far too insignificant to constitute a real issue), and a slap to the face of every well-meaning, well-adjusted, integrated, and working/producing immigrant who is being discriminated against everyday, who doesn't bitch about it because they know that life is sometimes unfair, whose monthly tax contribution is more than what those boiling-blood voters get from Kela and Sociaali.

P.S. What boils my blood is that the political scene in Finland (amongst politicians and voters) cannot fit views that are half way between "All foreigners are awful smelly people and we should keep them out" and "All foreigners are amazing and we need to pour more and more without any limitations"

[Oombongo]

Moro,

Has anybody read this article: http://yle.fi/uutiset/kokoomusedustaja_ ... en/7446119

And what makes my blood boil is when I hear foreigners screaming and nagging that are discriminated in Finland as quite few around here!

Your google translator screwed up here and there

[ajdias]

I'm surprised we haven't yet heard any politician claim "they took our women"

There's probably a positive side effect of this: this was so badly done that many people may now be a bit more suspicious about this kind of rhetoric. Still, some will get their blood boiling and won't bother listening to the rest of the story.

What boils my blood is that the political scene in Finland (amongst politicians and voters) cannot fit views that are half way between "All foreigners are awful smelly people and we should keep them out" and "All foreigners are amazing and we need to pour more and more without any limitations"

[Upphew]

What boils my blood is that the political scene in Finland (amongst politicians and voters) cannot fit views that are half way between "All foreigners are awful smelly people and we should keep them out" and "All foreigners are amazing and we need to pour more and more without any limitations"

Even if you don't think in black or white, your grey won't be grey in your opponent's eyes.

[Pursuivant]

Well, it happens in all countries with "social welfare". The poor & feckless manage a better standard of living than working people scratching up a living. In the UK theres exactly the same moaning over some asylum-seeker with 10 kids housed in a £100 million house in a posh neighbourhood raking in benefits complaining about "discrimination" of the council not bying her a new sofa. And then those living on benefits - 3-4 generations nobody ever had a job being "entitled". I used to get upset over that in Finland, in the UK its quite relaxing to see Finns aren't the only "stupid ones" around. As you can see from the press what happened in Rotherham shows that also in the UK, there are immigrants but some immigrants are more immigrant than others. In Finland one politician said "varsinaisia maahanmuuttajia" , so "actual" is the new black.

Oh well, the main difference is, that in Finland they censor all the news, and the reporters are thrashing on the threshold of a multigasm (multicultural orgasm). In the UK, its the media that reveals what the politicians and local businesses do, in Finland you need to read Hommaforum. Pity that Hymy went bankrupt...

And as far as being a foreign immigrant, its also like anywhere, I "go native" enough so I get your man in the pub ranting about the bloody immigrants

[Upphew]

Oh well, the main difference is, that in Finland they censor all the news, and the reporters are thrashing on the threshold of a multigasm (multicultural orgasm). In the UK, its the media that reveals what the politicians and local businesses do, in Finland you need to read Hommaforum. Pity that Hymy went bankrupt...

Why smile when you can laugh: http://naurunappula.com/1221606/suomi-e ... la-0-e.jpg
Or cry...

[Beep_Boop]

Well, it happens in all countries with "social welfare". The poor & feckless manage a better standard of living than working people scratching up a living.

While cases like do indeed exist, they're very few. I'd be very happy if Finland performs some sort of investigation to look into these cases. I'm afraid that the Greens and their likes will label such investigation as racist, which is ridiculous.

Earlier this year, the Bavarian Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs in Germany conducted and internal investigation to assess cases of welfare fraud and abuse. Germany has far more immigrants than Finland, yet the results were shocking (at least to me). Apparently, and after a deep investigation, they found 603 suspected cases. Amongst those, 591 were actual fraud and abuse. 463 of them were by Germans, and the rest (around 128) were by foreigners (Turkey, Iraq, Romania, etc.) [1]. Scale the Bavarian case (2nd largest state in Germany) and you'll have a very interesting image.

aaand, that's for Germany, the country with the third highest immigrants population (after U.S. and Russia). [2]

Sources:
[1] http://www.gruene-fraktion-bayern.de/si ... smache.pdf
[2] http://esa.un.org/unmigration/TIMSA2013 ... 2013T1.xls

[Beep_Boop]

Why smile when you can laugh: http://naurunappula.com/1221606/suomi-e ... la-0-e.jpg
Or cry...

*sigh* not this again! If I have a 5c coin for every time I see this, I... umm.. I'd probably have like a euro or maybe less. Those numbers only look good if you compare them to your salary (or to my salary, for that matter), and they're used for that purpose, to fool and misinform us.

The sum of all those spending is roughly 2 million euros (1 936 945, to be exact [1]) for the whole of 2013. You know how much is that in real life context? The tax revenue in Finland recently averages at about 92 BILLION euros a year, and in 2010 it was 94.7 billion euros [2]. So the integration projects in that report cost about 0.0021% of the tax revenue. Yes, those are not one, but two zeros.

Honestly, as a tax payer with a limited saying in this, I'm actually quite okay with 0.0021% of the tax revenue spent on integrating immigrants, if those projects are leading to good results.

Note: This comment is to address that particular image to which you linked. I'm aware that there are other issues related to immigrants and fiscal irresponsibility in their matters.

Sources:
[1] http://www.intermin.fi/download/55026_i ... nkkeet.pdf
[2] http://www.vm.fi/vm/eDoc/Budget_review_ ... er2012.pdf

[Upphew]

Honestly, as a tax payer with a limited saying in this, I'm actually quite okay with 0.0021% of the tax revenue spent on integrating immigrants, if those projects are leading to good results.

Did you read the descriptions? "The aim of the project is to encourage Finns with African background to tell about their activities and to get involved in society and culture" - 87000€, *ka-ching*

Sure those are "EU money". But somehow I think there are many sticky fingers between my pocket and when someone is "voimavaraistettu" with that money. If that is ok way to use money here, I would like to see what organizations in Mediterranean countries write to their money applications.