Voucher sites

[Rahe01]

Does anyone happen to know any voucher sales sites in finland Ex: http://www.groupon.fi/
In my country we had like 20 similar sites but i cant find anymore than this groupon.

[harryc]

We had them - but they have mostly been 'found out.'

[Rahe01]

We had them - but they have mostly been 'found out.'

What do you mean? Thats supposed to be good if the site have been ,,Found out''.
And still nobody knows any similar sites?

[Hämeen Hitain]

I think he means "found out" in a negative sense.

[harryc]

I think he means "found out" in a negative sense.

You got that one right!!

Oxford Dictionaries ENGLISH

Definition of find someone out in English:


"find someone out"

Detect a person’s immoral or offensive actions:

"she would always find him out if he tried to lie"

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btw - "found out" will never mean something positive - at least what goes through my mind

[Rahe01]

Okay Dr smart and Dr smarter.
Then can you tell me some way that found out is negative when talking about voucher sites? Groupon.fi is site where different sellers sell their goods with lower prices for advertising purposes. And people shop their gifts, travel packages and other goods from these kind of sites and also save a lot of money doing that. i cant think any negative way to say that these sites were found out? sounds stupid.

[Jazqas]

Most likely the businesses found out that they weren't getting anything out of this. People come in with the coupon, your business loses money on it in the hope that they get repeat business from the customer. Customer never comes back (except with another coupon).

Most business's customer service mottos in Finland seem to be "I you want it at this price, buy it. If you don't then don't."

[Rahe01]

I think he means "found out" in a negative sense.

You got that one right!!

Oxford Dictionaries ENGLISH

Definition of find someone out in English:


"find someone out"

Detect a person’s immoral or offensive actions:

"she would always find him out if he tried to lie"

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btw - "found out" will never mean something positive - at least what goes through my mind

When checking my bank account i ,,found out'' im a millionaire.
When she said that, ,,i found out'' she truly loves me.
I went to balcony at the morning and ,,found out'' it is a very beautiful sunny day today.
I went to travel with my Friend and i ,,found out'' we have a lot in common.
Now you know 4 positive meanings of ,,found out'' and i found out you have a lack imagination

Most likely the businesses found out that they weren't getting anything out of this. People come in with the coupon, your business loses money on it in the hope that they get repeat business from the customer. Customer never comes back (except with another coupon).

Most business's customer service mottos in Finland seem to be "I you want it at this price, buy it. If you don't then don't."

You cant lose on selling voucher sites unless you give your stuff with too low price. Lets say if i sell 2 travel packages per month then i have to get at least 1 000 euros profit on every sale to survive with my company. Now if i sell 800 euros cheaper on discount site and sell 20 travel packages then i made 4k profit and if if customers liked my travel then they will come back to me and next time i don't give the discount price but they trust my travels and buy again and later i will sell 4 travel packages per month instead on 2 and make profit of 4 000 euros. Thats only one example but you can use the same algebra for almost every product. Shoes, food, electronics, cars, hotels and etc.
i used to sell my stuff on voucher sites and i sold 600-800 products per month the same time other companys sold less than 100 but i made only 40 less profit on every sale. So in total i made about 240- 320% more profit than other sellers. I want to use these sites in Finland by christmas.

[harryc]

btw - "found out" will never mean something positive -

Sorry I see now that I left out the 'someone' between the quote marks - apologies

Obviously the two words 'found out' can mean a variety of things - good, bad and indifferent

Please do scour your imagination and come up with how
'found someone out' will ever mean something positive about that 'someone'

Oxford Dictionaries ENGLISH

Definition of find someone out in English:

"find someone out"

Detect a person’s immoral or offensive actions:

"she would always find him out if he tried to lie"

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You can get a pretty good idea of why that 'deal' stuff goes nowhere in Finland:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=83220

"Burned once - blame you -- Burned twice -- blame me"

The other thing to remember is that once someone learns a price level - they will stay there knowing no one sells at a loss (save the Hullut Päivät 'one per country' nonsense) - when one sees Kesko offers 'Yakkety Yoghurtt' every 4 weeks at 30% off - they always wait for every 4 weeks to buy!

[Jazqas]

i used to sell my stuff on voucher sites and i sold 600-800 products per month the same time other companys sold less than 100 but i made only 40 less profit on every sale. So in total i made about 240- 320% more profit than other sellers. I want to use these sites in Finland by christmas.

So you're doing 7 times the work for only 3 times the profit?

[Rahe01]

We had them - but they have mostly been 'found out.'

I thought we were talking about voucher sites as the subject also says?

[mdn]

Thats only one example but you can use the same algebra for almost every product. Shoes, food, electronics, cars, hotels and etc.

No, it works just in case of free software with electronic delivery (when producing 1 more item does not cost anything for the seller).
Even for your example, 'travel'.
You are doing an official discount 800 euro per single travel, and you are paying half of that amount to the voucher company. 400 euro.
So you are not made 4K profit, but got 4K lose (as now on each item you are losing 200 euro).

Non-groupon in Finland - facediili, for example. You can see more on diilit.net (they are really dead in Finland, mostly 1 owner:) )

[Rahe01]

okay you got one thing right. that the voucher site wants some cut of the sale but its not sure as hell half of the price. Its about 2-6% of the price.
But profit is easily calculated final income - own costs = profit. So lets say im selling the travel for 3k euros and the flight tickets and hotels and transfeer costs 2k then profit is 1k. So now on if i sell 20 of these then my work is done before even selling them( finding out the best prices and best products to offer). Now if someone buys then i just have to add their names to the list and thats not very time or effort consuming thing. now i sold 20 packages on voucher site. It cost me 40k but selling them i made 60k when the money is that big then the site wants lets say 1% of the price. I pay 600 euros to the site and still i have 60k-40k-600 = 19.400 euros. There is not going to be any extra costs on delivery or for the plane tickets or anything such. Inversely If i buy 20 hotel rooms or 20 flight tickets i probably get about 30% discount From airlines and hotel. So i manage to pay only 28k for the travel packages and my profit will be 60k-28-600= 31400.

[harryc]

Wholesale 2000€ -- Retail 3000€

For a 'do-nothing-agent-in-between' scenario in the TRAVEL business?

What deaf-dumb-and blind consumers are you dreaming of??? (90% of travelers search and most SCOUR the net for lowest prices)

btw - Back in the day when airlines respected agency business and supported them - they gave them a whopping 5-10% commission - these days they have made it no secret that they don't give a damn about them and if they go out of business - so what!

[Rahe01]

That was just an exaggerated example. I also know theres no way to earn a profit as big as half of the travel price. Wrote with bigger numbers so its easyer to see my point. Seems like i got only 1 site from the topic and thats facediili and thank you mdn for that. I guess case closed now