A permit after graduation duration

[betelgeuse]

Firstly, I am more than a 100% sure that you can get a 4 year Residence Permit after graduation and in fact a close friend of mine got it like 2 months ago. Also, I know now apparently different cities have different "rules" regarding the direct 4 years and 1+4 years extension. I believe in Helsinki, the usual process is you get 1 years and then 4 years whereas in Tampere you get 4 years straight. As a matter of fact, I know no one who has received a 1 year extension after graduation in Tampere.

Now coming back to the point, I lodged my application in Jyväskylä and received a one year extension and what I am trying to figure out is why the distinction? and does it have something to do with location or personal application or sth else???

Inconsistent application of the law. Most likely as you say location. It would be quite interesting if it varied also between personnel but it's possible. The state ombudsman would probably be interested in a claim with proof of such inconsistencies:

http://www.oikeusasiamies.fi/Resource.p ... /index.htx

I suppose I was trying to find someone who might have had or knows someone with similar situation like mine and had tried appealing. I don't want to make a big fuss with the whole appealing in administrative court with my decision and someone with similar past or related experiences might help to understand things better.

Appealing to an administrative court is in reality not a big deal. The only real issue is the language barrier if one has no outside help.

[Random Dude]

Thanks Betelgeuse for the information and advice. After talking with the immigration office and legal advisers, I have come to learn that I do have a reasonable claim but I am left with only a single option to make an appeal which lasts anywhere from 6 months (in rare cases) to 18 months. Unfortunately despite the fact that I could probably prove the inconsistency in the extension process in different cities, it can turn out to be a long wait and quite a financial cost in this judicial process. Unfortunately, the legal process is of no help to my situation and thus at this point I have decided to wait for a year and apply again.

Furthermore, if there is anyone who is applying for an 'A' permit after graduation in near future and is expecting a 4 year extension, I suggest them to make sure the place they are applying from provides a direct 4 year extension. It seems these decision vary from place to place.

[Beep_Boop]

Thanks a lot for your update!
Now I feel a bit cheated, though. In my latest renewal process, I went through travel restrictions, employment delay, and a lot of stress. Had I received a 4-year permit, things would have been a lot less difficult last year.

Anyway, !"#¤% happens. No biggie.

[betelgeuse]

Thanks Betelgeuse for the information and advice. After talking with the immigration office and legal advisers, I have come to learn that I do have a reasonable claim but I am left with only a single option to make an appeal which lasts anywhere from 6 months (in rare cases) to 18 months. Unfortunately despite the fact that I could probably prove the inconsistency in the extension process in different cities, it can turn out to be a long wait and quite a financial cost in this judicial process. Unfortunately, the legal process is of no help to my situation and thus at this point I have decided to wait for a year and apply again.

Your case would not be about inconsistencies between cities. It would be about missing justified reasons to deviate from the four year default. You only pay court fees if you lose. Of course when you need to pay a lawyer, I agree it can make sense to wait a year. You do also have the option to apply for the extension immediately and to make sure in the application that you request it for four years (law references help).

[Random Dude]

Yea Adnan, it certainly makes life easier if you do not have to stress about extending your permit every year. especially considering the fact these extension process may well take over three months compelling you to stick with whatever job you have and restricting travel options in most cases. Likewise, I am especially devastated because I wanted to look for a new and better jobs in different cities but the problem is a lot of work contracts you get these tends may not be a permanent contract right away which creates problem in your next extension. but with immigration issues getting hotter all over Europe I doubt the situation is any better anywhere else and might only get worse.

>Betelgeuse, I was also wondering how early can I apply for my next A permit as I just received one with a validity up until next July? Is there a law or is it also one of those things that totally depend on the place and officials you deal with?

[betelgeuse]

>Betelgeuse, I was also wondering how early can I apply for my next A permit as I just received one with a validity up until next July? Is there a law or is it also one of those things that totally depend on the place and officials you deal with?

You can apply whenever. The Aliens Act only says:

"A new fixed-term residence permit is issued if the requirements under which the alien was issued with his or her previous fixed-term residence permit are still met."

PS. I will take this opportunity the say that in Finnish administrative terminology applying is about never restricted though I guess linguistically just have to accept people using apply when they really mean getting a decision in their favor. Getting a positive decision is a different matter. In this case it seems likely to also for the latter to happen.

[betelgeuse]

>Betelgeuse, I was also wondering how early can I apply for my next A permit as I just received one with a validity up until next July? Is there a law or is it also one of those things that totally depend on the place and officials you deal with?

You can apply whenever. The Aliens Act only says:

"A new fixed-term residence permit is issued if the requirements under which the alien was issued with his or her previous fixed-term residence permit are still met."

I should add that applying now puts you to the "new situation what will I do" mode of the case handler which increases the changes of a random outcome.