foreign applicants score vs finnish applicants score

[Oho]

This graph shows, that finnish people get lower scores in general than the ones coming from other countries.

It just shows that those coming from the finnish schools are not as well educated

No it does not but thanks for playing.

[betelgeuse]

If Finland does not make it fair for her foreign applicants, then why advertise equality education for ALL..fair is fair, exam scoring should be the same for ALL...whether they are foreigners or finns....how can you say that you have the best educational system when in fact the standard of admission is compromised/ lower for its own citizens? Therefore the integrity of the educational system is not deemed to be what it is proclaimed to be.

Finnish reputation for an excellent educational system is firstly about primary education and maybe to some degree about secondary. Our tertiary system can't be claimed to the best in the world.

[Oho]

Itseasiassa, jos suomalaiset sais yhtä hyviä pisteitä, kuin ulkomaalaiset, se heijastuis myös suomalaisten hakijoiden pisteiden alarajassa.

No ei mutta toden totta tommonen sisälukutaidottomuus kyllä kertoo karua kieltä suomalaisen koulutuksen tasosta....

[Oho]

Nobody is given points for their citizenship. Some are given points for their local highschool (Lukio) certificate /student exam.

On the information provided one can really tell little if that based on the threshold points because the points are tallied in different way to begin with. Its like comparing apples and oranges. For all I know group A may contain not just foreign or non resident students but also Finnish residents who prefer not to use their high-school diploma. It certainly has been possible to apply into universities in entrance exam only quota. I just love the self righteous sense of entitlement you get from some of the probably third world whiners.

[Upphew]

Can someone please explain to me why do the students from abroad (foreign students) need to score higher on entrance exams than finnish students....it this fair? at this moment i am deeply disappointed in the finnish education system...here is the link

http://www.lamk.fi/english/future-stude ... 4_LUAS.pdf

RevealingtheTruth

That link doesn't say that foreign students need more points from the entrance exam. At least without knowing what system the UAS uses. Either the exam counts as 40% or 70% of the score*. That paper don't mention which is used nor can you see the exam's part from that.
see 9.1. @ https://studyinfo.fi/wp2/en/higher-educ ... -criteria/

edit. * in case of selection method 1

[RevealingtheTruth]

Because, if you go to Finnish lukio, "everyone knows" what and how you learn, and what the eximia in the report card stands for. So they can give points on that, so far that wit enogh laudatur you don't need to take a test.

Foreigners have foreign degrees from foreignschools which you don't know anything about, so the only way to assess them is byvthe exam only.

Itseasiassa, jos suomalaiset sais yhtä hyviä pisteitä, kuin ulkomaalaiset, se heijastuis myös suomalaisten hakijoiden pisteiden alarajassa.

Toisinsanottuna, jos meidän koulujärjestelmä ois muita parempi ja oltais muita niin paljon viisaampia kuin meille mainostetaan, silloin suomalaiset sais parempia pisteitä ja sen takia suomalaisten pisteiden alaraja ois korkeampi kuin ulkomaalaisten - ei toisinpäin ( siis niin kuin on nyt, ulkomaalaisilla on kovemmat pisteet jo lähtötasolla )

Pisteytyksessä siis ei oteta aikaisempaa kouluhistoriaa huomioon, koska näkyy että Suomessa opiskelleet osaavat vähemmän.

Ei siis loogista sanoa että suomalainen koulutus katsotaan eduksi koska sen laatutaso tiedetään, koska jos laatutaso olisi hyvä se heijastuisi nyt suomalaisten pisteiden alarajassa

Ainoa syys siis voi olla, ettei pisteet ole yhtä hyviä suomalaisilla, koska jos niin olisi dokumentti olisi erilainen

i beg the differ....because just the same as in the olympics.....do they give the team or athelete a GOLD medal because they have better statistics to win the Gold Medal in the preliminary events? ... of course not, every team and every athelete is treated fair. They all begin from the starting line and placing according to their skills and ability. Also, i am currently studying in Finland in an english program, and when i tested for the exam there were finnish students taking the same test to get admission into the english program. However they already had points acculmulated and scored less then i did on the entrance exam, but was admitted into the program because of the previous points... If Finland has the World Class Education System, then let it be shown completely in the authenticity of their scoring for their citizens.... in fact if you want to know the truth where the universities of finland rank here is the latest study https://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/ ... ld-ranking

so maybe it would be in the best interest of Finland to change the scoring for the finnish applicants....actually the first finnish college ranks at number 276 out of the top 400 Universities and it is
(Lappeenranta University of Technology)

Personally, i love the finnish education system and Finland has alot to offer the World...I realize some finns may want to keep it a bird's nest treasure, which they have limited foreigners, however it is time for the world to get a true glimpse of a place that has natural beauty and can offer other countries ways to enhance their education system on primary and secondary level as well as learining how to treat their citizens with the upmost respect.

RevealingtheTruth

[dzammes]

Perfect, another idiot making the rest of us (the ones who are actually grateful for the opportunity to study in Finland) look bad.
If you're so concerned about the scoring system then just score high enough to get in.

[Upphew]

i beg the differ....because just the same as in the olympics.....do they give the team or athelete a GOLD medal because they have better statistics to win the Gold Medal in the preliminary events? ... of course not, every team and every athelete is treated fair. They all begin from the starting line and placing according to their skills and ability.

Just the same as in Premier League and all the other football stuff. Or alpine ski world cup. Or F1. Do we have to continue?

[Upphew]

so maybe it would be in the best interest of Finland to change the scoring for the finnish applicants...

Why? That would toss out all the success of the past 12 years of school (or more) and put the pressure for the applicant to shine in a test that lasts couple of hours? Why should it be so when we have nice school system that dishes out grades that can be used? So it would be more fair to foreigners? Maybe we should switch the language too? And maybe start worship some other deity? Switch the calendar? What else?

[Beep_Boop]

Oh yeah, a troll!
Case closed.

[rinso]

actually the first finnish college ranks at number 276 out of the top 400 Universities and it is

The ranking system is for an important part based on the number of publications and references in other publications. So small universities have less opportunities to come near the top. The system says something about the amount of research in that uni, not about the teaching quality.

[sotka_]

For fuchs sake what is going on here? Some whining about special olympics or what?

I fail to see what is so unfair in the admission criteria. It's the same basic idea, which is used in each and every Finnish university (yes, let's pretend UAS is a university, and yes, there are exceptions).

This is how you play the game:

1) Go to lukio (yes, the Finnish lukio, one and only) - get grades of some sort (this step is optional)
2) Apply to a school of your choice

Now, if you did not complete step 1 (Finn or some sort of funny foreigner) - no points for you! But you can still get in, thanks to the exam only route - yay! Also, if your lukio grades were miserable, you can also get in, if you ace the entrance exam. Yay again!

So entrance exam opens the door to those, who did not go to lukio (or failed to perform there), including foreigners. Previous success is rewarded, but not required. Seems pretty fair to me. (Also, as previously explained, it is practically impossible to find out how to give credit for those funny foreign diplomas and like, without being unfair.)

I can't take anymore of this bull for today.. I'm out..

[Rip]

in fact if you want to know the truth where the universities of finland rank here is the latest study https://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/ ... ld-ranking

so maybe it would be in the best interest of Finland to change the scoring for the finnish applicants....actually the first finnish college ranks at number 276 out of the top 400 Universities and it is
(Lappeenranta University of Technology)

Actually both Helsinki University and Aalto are better placed, though the relevance to thread is restricted to (again) your comprehension skills.

[RevealingtheTruth]

in fact if you want to know the truth where the universities of finland rank here is the latest study https://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/ ... ld-ranking

so maybe it would be in the best interest of Finland to change the scoring for the finnish applicants....actually the first finnish college ranks at number 276 out of the top 400 Universities and it is
(Lappeenranta University of Technology)

Actually both Helsinki University and Aalto are better placed, though the relevance to thread is restricted to (again) your comprehension skills.

hey, my mistake, due to my scrolling was swift after i saw where none of the finnish universities ranked in the top 50.

[RevealingtheTruth]

in fact if you want to know the truth where the universities of finland rank here is the latest study https://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/ ... ld-ranking

so maybe it would be in the best interest of Finland to change the scoring for the finnish applicants....actually the first finnish college ranks at number 276 out of the top 400 Universities and it is
(Lappeenranta University of Technology)

Actually both Helsinki University and Aalto are better placed, though the relevance to thread is restricted to (again) your comprehension skills.

hey, my mistake, due to the swiftness of scrolling, after i saw none of the finnish universities ranked in the top 50.