Integration Course

RoseP · Post by **RoseP** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:33 pm

Hi! I was very fortunate to be included in integration course for 1 year. My residence Visa will expire in December. 2015. Can i use this reason to extend My residence Visa so i can participate in the course? I am in A type for 1 year. I am separated with My husband and i want to start my life again.

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Kayttaja1 · Post by **Kayttaja1** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:07 pm

What kind of ties you have to Finland? If your husband was your only reason to be in Finland, I have bad news for you.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:53 pm

RoseP wrote:Hi! I was very fortunate to be included in integration course for 1 year. My residence Visa will expire in December. 2015. Can i use this reason to extend My residence Visa so i can participate in the course? I am in A type for 1 year. I am separated with My husband and i want to start my life again.

As long as you are separated and not divorced, you can renew the permit based on marriage.

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:17 pm

betelgeuse wrote:As long as you are separated and not divorced, you can renew the permit based on marriage.

This makes me very angry.
I've seen so many "couples" who get married at Maistraatti for RP, then they move out and live separate lives until the foreigner gets permanent RP. Presumably, they officially divorce after that.

Flossy1978 · Post by **Flossy1978** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:41 pm

Yes, it's horrible and a ripoff to the Finnish system and people who came legally and pay their taxes. Because this poster can apply and get all kinds of money and services for cheating the system. People like this poster need to go home. Start your life back where you come from.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:50 am

adnan wrote:
betelgeuse wrote:As long as you are separated and not divorced, you can renew the permit based on marriage.
This makes me very angry.
I've seen so many "couples" who get married at Maistraatti for RP, then they move out and live separate lives until the foreigner gets permanent RP. Presumably, they officially divorce after that.

Our current government might be interested in suggestions for changing the law...

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:15 am

betelgeuse wrote:Our current government might be interested in suggestions for changing the law...

I love how other more successful countries have addressed such issues.

Examples:
- In Germany, even German citizens need to be able to financially support their spouses for an RP to be granted.
- In Denmark, they have the 24-year rule and the attachment-rule. They also have the Danish-test rule.
- In Denmark, you can be refused a marriage-based RP extension if the basis for the RP have been altered in any suspicious manner (not living together anymore is a valid reason). Other reasons include failing to learn basic Danish.
- In the Netherlands, applying for a permanent RP triggers a thorough re-check for the grounds upon which your previous RP was granted, and I mean through thorough (check Google for more info on refusal reasons). The most important part is that they check if your spouse (Dutch or non-Dutch) is still able to support you. They also check how well you've integrated in the society.
- In Austria, a temporary contract for less than 1 year is not valid to register EU right of residence.

Now, I know none of that is perfect, but at least they are reasonable steps in the right (hehe) direction.

RoseP · Post by **RoseP** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 11:46 am

Well i guess i should start packing unless i find a Job. This Forum has got to be the most judgemental Forum ever! And FYI i am a taxpayer too before all of this! And My husband is a big taxpayer. So don't judge unless you know My full circumstances. As for the good advices here! Thank you very much!

interleukin · Post by **interleukin** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:54 pm

I agree with OP, whatever happened to giving someone a chance? We know nothing about OP or how she may have had to burn down bridges & make sacrifices to come here and start a new life. Throwing everything away or having to stay in a hopeless relationship is a bit harsh. Let OP make wild statements about how she plans to life off KELA for the rest of her life and abuse the system before all the attacks come.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 4:02 pm

RoseP wrote:Well i guess i should start packing unless i find a Job. This Forum has got to be the most judgemental Forum ever! And FYI i am a taxpayer too before all of this! And My husband is a big taxpayer. So don't judge unless you know My full circumstances. As for the good advices here! Thank you very much!

Everyone making purchases is a tax payer (through value added tax) and many social security payments (like unemployment) are under income tax. Do you mean to say that you have contributed more in taxes to the system than you have received?

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:10 pm

tummansininen wrote:To be perfectly honest I don't care whether she paid taxes before or not and I don't even care if she has genuine reasons to be here or was an opportunity seeker when she arrived. If you don't like that she came here then write to your MP about the laws.

She might well be a qualified nurse for all we know, or have some other skill that we need, or will in future learn some other skill that we need.

Agreed, people can be quite quick to jump to conclusions. Little but off topic, but maybe acceptable given the side track we are on. Who would you consider to be your MP in the Finnish system? I think the phrase comes from Westminster system context.

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:11 pm

Personally, I know nothing about OP's case. My statements were general about the abuse of the system. I wasn't implying anything about OP herself.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:12 pm

I have the unpleasant feeling that the Finnish use are (at least on relative terms) often easiest to navigate through for those that are likely to be last useful for the country.

This is a general statement and not a comment on OP.

Evaphio · Post by **Evaphio** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:02 pm

Hi-hi. I can not understand why people are so judgemental.

After having worked and studied both in my country and abroad I came to conclusion that none owes nothing to any system, but if you are in, you simply need to obey the system within the frames of the law. Who can stay in the country is the matter of law, and not the matter of morals. If you just think of how the minority of the world treats the majority you would maybe find out that it is we who are in debt. What we eat, what we use, by whom we are defended.... we all abuse the bigger "system" in a way.
The law is supposed to make the system work well... that's it. But not to correct someone's "immoral behaviour" or do some preaching...

Also, why would the system be abused in this case? Integration course means that a person wants to integrate and do something for the society in future. If there is an integration course, why ignore it?

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