Finnish Social Security

[irnbru]

Go see the doc. Get some anti depressants for the short term to stop you making rash decisions and to help you live a bit healthier. Smoking loads of ciggies is no good for you or your kids. Try to see the long game (hard I know). The more pragmatic you are about the decisions you make now the better it will be all round.

[irnbru]

Go see the doc. Get some anti depressants for the short term to stop you making rash decisions and to help you live a bit healthier. Smoking loads of ciggies is no good for you or your kids. Try to see the long game (hard I know). The more pragmatic you are about the decisions you make now the better it will be all round.

Please don't judge my question. Will the Finnish Social Security help me in this situation with hostels and social benefits with my current impotent financial circumstance?

You have to get into the system. I don't know the exact details but I think it takes 3 months to change from tourist to resident. Social services prob wont sort you a gaff and start giving you money straight away. You have freedom of movement of course bug that doesn't mean they will process you quickly. I think you should get yourself together in the UK. Get some cash together to rent a place here for a few months. Get into the system then get on the dole if you can't find work. Try to get on the jobcentres integration scheme. I know its messing your head up but if you play it right you could end up with many years of reasonable access to your kids. Are you sure she can legally take your kids out of the UK just like that if they are resident there?

[betelgeuse]

I'm curious to ask, will the Finniah government help me to get on my feet by helping with social benefits?

You can't do EU registration if you need social benefits. Once the baby is born you can use family relation to a Finnish citizen (the newborn) to get a residence permit entitling you to social benefits. Your best bet currently is to use EU rules that allow you to get UK jobseeker benefits in Finland:

https://www.gov.uk/claim-benefits-abroa ... -allowance

If you find a job in Finland (probably hard), you can use it to register. Otherwise seek legal help (probably available for free), on your options. You can get social security while you have an application for residence permit in progress or appealed so it could work out until the baby is born. Expert help is advised.

You have to get into the system. I don't know the exact details but I think it takes 3 months to change from tourist to resident.

It doesn't. You need to do it within 3 months but can do it on the first day.

https://www.poliisi.fi/licences_and_per ... pean_union

"EU citizens who reside in Finland for more than three months must register their stay with the local police department of their place of residence within three months of entering the country."

Most importantly are there any free of charge hostels in the city of Espoo?

No.

[Marsh04]

Anyway, will the Finnish government help me if I was to come next week since she is carrying my child?

No, and there is no child as yet.

[Marsh04]

You don't need a government to have a place to sleep ,churches and many other organisations also help people sleep under a roof . But I can see restraining orders issued against you in near future .

As suggested before you shouldn't be making such decisions for some time .

[Marsh04]

You don't need a government to have a place to sleep ,churches and many other organisations also help people sleep under a roof . But I can see restraining orders issued against you in near future .

As suggested before you shouldn't be making such decisions for some time .

Why do you say that you can see a restraining order against me?

Because of the way you are planning to be closer to be your child .

[irnbru]

Also if she doesn't give you access you will need to go to court so what u do between now and those court appearances can greatly affect what kind of access you get. You need to make all the right choices now. Try to be as rational as possible.

[Rip]

Once the baby is born you can use family relation to a Finnish citizen (the newborn) to get a residence permit entitling you to social benefits.

Except the "family relation" is really more about the social aspect of things than just pure genes. If he does not live with the mother (while I am not a lawyer etc.) I have feeling he'll need some agreement on visitation rights before he can be considered a family member. That could take some time if (as it rather sounds like) the mother opts to be as uncooperative as possible. Not having a proper place to live would not at least help either.

You can get social security while you have an application for residence permit in progress or appealed

He can?

[rinso]

1- You will not be allowed in the maternity ward if the mother doesn't want you there.
2- You have no rights until your paternity is established.
3- Looking at the mothers behaviour #2 will be an uphill (very expensive) struggle.
4- After #3 you have to fight to get shared custody. (again probably a court battle)
5- When #3 is established you have to pay for the maintenance of the child.
6- After all that the best you can hope for is a visit to your child once every two weeks.
7- Since you look quite unstable, even visiting rights might be rejected by the court.
8- There is no social help before #2 is established and you've gone through the whole administrative process.

To sum it all up:
You will fail miserably in your quest, live on the streets, eat out of trashcans and after some time be sent back to the UK.
(where you will arrive penniless, no job, no belongings, no house)

Get yourself together, wait till the baby is born and see if you can make a deal with the mother.

[betelgeuse]

Once the baby is born you can use family relation to a Finnish citizen (the newborn) to get a residence permit entitling you to social benefits.

Except the "family relation" is really more about the social aspect of things than just pure genes. If he does not live with the mother (while I am not a lawyer etc.) I have feeling he'll need some agreement on visitation rights before he can be considered a family member. That could take some time if (as it rather sounds like) the mother opts to be as uncooperative as possible. Not having a proper place to live would not at least help either.

Yes the law seems to require one to be a guardian (huoltaja):

https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/ ... 0301#L4P37

I looked up who becomes a guardian and it is the mother alone when not married:

https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/ ... 30361#L2P6

This means my comment was overly optimistic.

You can get social security while you have an application for residence permit in progress or appealed

He can?

At least the text of the law has no restrictions on who it can be given to:

https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/ ... 71412#L1P2

[ajdias]

You should also know that if the mother moves in with some chump and registers it as a relationship before the child is born, the child will not be yours, it will be the other guy's. Really, it will be as if you never existed.
This is outrageous, but that is the law.

[irnbru]

There is a facebook page expat parents in finland or something. You could ask for advice there too.

It sounds like the mother is holding all the cards here so if you can find a way to work with her it would be better.

[rinso]

You should also know that if the mother moves in with some chump and registers it as a relationship before the child is born, the child will not be yours, it will be the other guy's. Really, it will be as if you never existed.
This is outrageous, but that is the law.

If she's a mean bitch (and it looks like it) she would look for a guy with money to be the "father" of her child, not a hysterical penniless Brit. (and get a healthy child support after the break-up)

It's hard, but maybe it is better to forget about her and the child and get your life in order first.

[Nimi]

You should also know that if the mother moves in with some chump and registers it as a relationship before the child is born, the child will not be yours, it will be the other guy's. Really, it will be as if you never existed.
This is outrageous, but that is the law.

If she's a mean bitch (and it looks like it) she would look for a guy with money to be the "father" of her child, not a hysterical penniless Brit. (and get a healthy child support after the break-up)

[burak25]

Stop whining and be a man. You are going to be a father, so act like a father, not some unstable idiot.

First make a proper game plan. Not suicidal attempt that will make you an YLE news story between strawberries and mushrooms...
Rinso made a pretty good list up there. You can start with it. If I were similar situation, I would ask for legal counselling. Also contact Finnish embassies for advice. Since I don't know anything about parental laws. Then make a plan and go with it. I would not go and waste my money on mother hunt, which will %100 sure end you up in jail or a plane back to Britain.

And last of all, if you were my friend and asking these situation, I would really slapped some sense in to you.