High Food Prices in Finland - not a mystery!

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Post by harryc » Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:55 pm

or high-end products.
I wouldn't agree -- take a look at the upper end in eg Iso Omena K -- delicatessen meats (eg Italian) are 50€/kilo and up -
very high pricing on all kinds of anything out of the ordinary. It may be defensible if one thinks of turnover but there's nothing low about the margins.



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Post by Karhunkoski » Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:24 pm

harryc wrote:
or high-end products.
I wouldn't agree -- take a look at the upper end in eg Iso Omena K -- delicatessen meats (eg Italian) are 50€/kilo and up -
very high pricing on all kinds of anything out of the ordinary.
What do you mean, "I wouldn't agree" ?

I said there are exceptions to the usual 35-50% margin levels. One being "high-end products".

You say you don't agree and then go on to give examples of just the sort of high-end, high-margin products I was talking about. Is it pikku-lauantai in your place? :beer_yum:
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Post by harryc » Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:18 pm

Sorry - I read it as high-end NOT having high margins.

Btw - has anyone else noticed that Lidl's 'theme' products are very nicely priced (for THEM).

You can catch a few good articles among some French charcuterie - and UK traditional cheeses - but in so many cases they are rip-offs.

The Grilli-Maisteri brand thing is a big sham - they label stuff GrilliMaisteri and you can look for a minimum 10% higher price. I had some fun last summer getting Lidl people SERIOUSLY looking for GM WC-paper and pesukone soap. They ended up enjoying the joke and agreed how phony the 'program' is.

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Post by Rosamunda » Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:55 pm

Forgetting Lidl for a moment, I still maintain that Finland is a great place for good food that is almost free: forest berries, mushrooms, masses of 'horta' (forage herbs), fish (for the price of a licence - free if you can persuade your kids to go fishing), and some game (hare). Then local basics like rolled oats for porridge, root vegetables etc are really cheap. Dairy products and eggs are not expensive either. Grains/flour are excellent value.

What's expensive? All the processed gunk meat and ready meals and cocopooptarts that are imported from everywhere else or made in a factory.

Many many people (including a lot of students, elderly people who eat simple food and foreigners who know how to cook from scratch on a low budget) manage to eat very well (and healthily) without spending a fortune.

But according to the stats - there is little difference between Finland and Germany (at least relative to the rest of the world)
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/6/5874499/map ... ds-on-food

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Post by Querfeldein » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:26 pm

Karhunkoski wrote:Supermarkets are not low margin businesses.
Supermarkets may charge you 20-50% more than they pay their suppliers, but that does not make them high margin businesses - the net margin will be closer to 1-2%.
Net margin means profit after tax as a fraction of total turnover. Or, as an example, for every €40 you pay at the till, less than 1€ will end up as the supermarket's profit.

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Post by Rosamunda » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:32 pm

Lidl was about 7% if I remember correctly

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Post by harryc » Thu Nov 05, 2015 9:43 pm

Just saying --

7% is a pretty good net margin for the food retail industry as far as what I know - and especially good for a company working with a goal of volume with low-middle priced items.

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Post by tuttu » Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:22 am

Rosamunda wrote:Which books? Finnish?
i wasn't judging it, just stating the facts.
yes, i am intelligent enough to recognize that producing print media for a population of 5million just isn't the same as for 80million.
harryc wrote:Of course - as a refugee - you have income sources that the rest of us don't have! So prices may mean nothing to you.
what's that supposed to mean?
are you baiting me/us?
what do you know about me? nothing? i thought so.


it seems to me that op is upset, because Lidl claims to be cheap, but in the end they're just the same rip-off as everyone else.

i still think that it's a good thing that Lidl came to Finland, although I would like to see more discount supermarkets here.
in other countries, Lidl is just one of many.
but when they came to finland ~10 years ago, it was quite the revolution; K- and S-markets quasi monopoly finally broken.

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Post by harryc » Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:37 pm

i still think that it's a good thing that Lidl came to Finland, although I would like to see more discount supermarkets here.
Indeed it's good there is a Lidl. I probably still get at least 50% of food from them - and their pricing has brought K and S into line somewhat.

One just has to be careful to use the weekly offers - most of what I buy from them is from those offers - I just adjust the 'mernu' to things available or that I have frozen. One also has to stay away from a lot of their 'theme' stuff without really checking price and value. (and to basically avoid anything that says Grilli Maisteri).

Lidl has caught at least a mild case of the Bauhaus disease. When Bauhaus came to Finland they knocked the socks off K-Rauta. But they soon noticed they could just be a bit lower than K and do the same business with a lot more profit.There is little competition - Starkki is pretty hopeless.

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Post by irnbru » Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:34 am

Anyone who think food prices are reasonable in Finland needs to give their heads a wobble. And they certainly aren't feeding a family here.

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Post by Rosamunda » Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:32 am

a) It depends where you come from and what your reference is
b) It depends what you eat

I've fed a family (3 boys) here since I arrived in 2001. Yes, when we first arrived I was shocked at the prices, especially things like the cheeses that I was used to eating in France (and the wine) and even bread. But that was a long time ago and I've learnt how to eat well without spending a fortune. I honestly believe we eat a healthy diet, even though it's very different to what we were used to.

At the same time the cost of many things has come down, especially local fruit and veg, partly due to competition from Lidl (and elsewhere) and partly due to supply and technology (eg tomatoes and cucumbers). The choice of bread is, in my opinion, way better than in the UK and even if a sliced-white is more expensive here than Warburtons (I can't believe people eat that stuff), good quality rye bread is cheaper here than in the UK (if you can find it). I couldn't find rapeseed oil in the UK a couple of weeks ago, ended up getting some in Waitrose - more expensive than Prisma. The selection of dairy products is way better here than in the UK. I could not find milk that was not homogenized in my mum's local supermarket, only Cravendale (Arla) with a sell-by date somewhere in the next decade. Here, the choice of milk is overwhelming, as is the choice of cows' milk subsititutes such as soja, Oatly etc etc. And don't get me started on flour. In the UK the choice is plain or self-raising (impossible to find fresh yeast), whereas here the choice of flour almost takes up a whole aisle in a Finnish supermarket.

In a nutshell, eating processed gunk and foreign produce will always be more expensive, wherever you live. But eating simple food and making stuff from scratch doesn't have to be expensive eg porridge for breakfast, soup for supper.

And the lunchtime restaurant buffets are brilliant value for money. :thumbsup:

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Post by tuttu » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:42 am

Indeed it's good there is a Lidl. ... and their pricing has brought K and S into line somewhat.
this.
Lidl has caught at least a mild case of the Bauhaus disease. When Bauhaus came to Finland they knocked the socks off K-Rauta. But they soon noticed they could just be a bit lower than K and do the same business with a lot more profit.
and this.

yep, hoping for more food discounters here.
i never liked lidl even back in germany.

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Post by harryc » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:33 pm

And the lunchtime restaurant buffets are brilliant value for money. :thumbsup:
If you pick out the 'pure' items - and avoid the stuff they say they have 'prepared' - it's almost always gunk. It's usually better to have a 'Vitamin C lunch' by picking up a kilo of mandarins for 1,49.

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Post by Querfeldein » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:57 pm

Rosamunda wrote: The selection of dairy products is way better here than in the UK. I could not find milk that was not homogenized in my mum's local supermarket, only Cravendale (Arla) with a sell-by date somewhere in the next decade. Here, the choice of milk is overwhelming, as is the choice of cows' milk subsititutes such as soja, Oatly etc etc. And don't get me started on flour. In the UK the choice is plain or self-raising (impossible to find fresh yeast), whereas here the choice of flour almost takes up a whole aisle in a Finnish supermarket.
Agreed on the bread (the selection in Finnish super markets is definitely larger than in most UK ones), but my experience on pretty much every other point has been the opposite. I've yet to find a supermarket here in Finland that offers the same variety in non-dairy milks that I got at my local Sainsbury's, even if we leave out the question of price. I don't know that much about cow's milk, but every UK supermarket I've been to offers various choices of fresh / chilled milk (both dairy and non-dairy), often organic, too. Larger supermarkets also sell non-homogenised milk (but no raw, i.e. non-pasteurised milk). And yes, you can buy fresh (not dried) yeast for 50p at Morrisons.

I suppose this just shows that, once you're familiar with a place, you will expect and appreciate the variety in some categories, but overlook the lack of variety in others - for example, I have already noticed that Finnish supermarkets (compared to UK ones of similar size) have a huge variety in rye breads, oats, and frozen berries and mushrooms. But these weren't my usual staples, so instead, I notice the lack of variety, for example when it comes to tofu, non-dairy yoghurts, etc. I suppose the key is to adapt to what's local, and not expect to find the same everywhere else...

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Post by harryc » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:02 pm

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