Kela application not accepted. Looking for advices

[florent]

Hello,

Firstly thank you in advance for your answers. Here is my situation. I have been living in Finland since August 2013 and I am from France, I did a Master degree here. I graduated last June 2015 and now I am registered at the unemployment office (and I am also studying Finnish language courses provided by the unemployment office). I want to stay and work in Finland.

I applied to be part of Kela but they rejected my application... The reason is that I am not considered as a permanent resident. But I have already been living here since two years and I am registered as a job seeker. Since I am not anymore student the French social security does not cover me anymore abroad and so on, Kela does not accept my application.

So at the moment I have NO social security... It is a risky situation for me.

I feel a bit scared if anything would happened. From what Kela told me, I could get register after I will have live with my girlfriend for 6 month (I live with her since August) or if I get a job in Finland. But still I believe that that there might be a solution.

So I would really appreciate if someone know well KELA system and have good advices or potential solutions

[Beep_Boop]

Since you registered as a student when you came to Finland, Kela doesn't consider you a permanent resident no matter how long you stay. This is different from, say, the Maistraatti records.
Until you change the reason for your registration, no Kela for you. You can do that by going to Poliisi and providing documentation for your new reason to stay in Finland. The reasons are usually either employment or family relations.

I don't think there's anything to be done to "fix" this. To me, it looks like the system is working perfectly as intended.

[florent]

Thank you for your answer. Yeah I did not really expect any possible solution...

Just for information, I went to Police in order to ask if I needed to change something for my staying in Finland but they told me that there is nothing to change. Also I have this ID number.

I understand that the system is like that, but I believe that sometimes Kela analyses more deeper some cases in order to make "exception". Or at least I wish...

[rinso]

You can do that by going to Poliisi and providing documentation for your new reason to stay in Finland. The reasons are usually either employment or family relations.

At least you have to show that you're self supporting (= no need for social security funding).
So you need a registration to get into the system. But if you need the system (Kela) registration will be difficult.

I agree with Adnan, there is no easy fix.

[betelgeuse]

I applied to be part of Kela but they rejected my application... The reason is that I am not considered as a permanent resident. But I have already been living here since two years and I am registered as a job seeker. Since I am not anymore student the French social security does not cover me anymore abroad and so on, Kela does not accept my application.

You could temporarily return to France, register as a job seeker there and then you have the right to come to Finland with the French benefits.

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/wo ... dex_en.htm

"If you're receiving unemployment benefit from the EU country where you became unemployed, going abroad to look for work won't affect your (or your family's) rights to health cover, family allowance, invalidity or old age pension rights, etc."

Here's the info from Kela for people moving from Finland to search for jobs abroad. Same information should be available from the French equivalent.

http://www.kela.fi/web/en/payment-of-be ... t-benefits

So at the moment I have NO social security... It is a risky situation for me.

Is your European Health Insurance Card valid? Even if Kela denies you, your municipality social support still is obligated to give you at least short term income support.

I feel a bit scared if anything would happened. From what Kela told me, I could get register after I will have live with my girlfriend for 6 month (I live with her since August) or if I get a job in Finland. But still I believe that that there might be a solution.

So I would really appreciate if someone know well KELA system and have good advices or potential solutions

For more thorough review of your situation and options you can get legal aid in Finland if you don't have assets.

http://www.oikeus.fi/oikeusapu/en/index ... fices.html

The only "fast" solution in Finland is to marry your girlfriend. Appeals take longer to process than satisfying the six months of cohabitation. Since you are eligible in some months I wouldn't put too much hope in legal aid helping any faster.

You might also find expert advice through here:

http://ec.europa.eu/eu-rights/enquiry-c ... n=yec_work

I am posting them since they might be able to say whether the French assessment is correct.

Since you registered as a student when you came to Finland, Kela doesn't consider you a permanent resident no matter how long you stay. This is different from, say, the Maistraatti records.
Until you change the reason for your registration, no Kela for you. You can do that by going to Poliisi and providing documentation for your new reason to stay in Finland. The reasons are usually either employment or family relations.

The Aliens Act does not provide for a process to change the reason for registration of right of residence. It makes sense because the opinion of the Police does not really matter for Kela later down the line. What's your source that you could do this?

[Beep_Boop]

It makes sense because the opinion of the Police does not really matter for Kela later down the line. What's your source that you could do this?

Unoftunantely, all I have is anecdotes from friends and acquaintances from EU who came as students and later got married to a Finn or started working. At first, they had no access to Kela, but then they had.

[betelgeuse]

Unoftunantely, all I have is anecdotes from friends and acquaintances from EU who came as students and later got married to a Finn or started working. At first, they had no access to Kela, but then they had.

If they went to see police, most likely it was wasted time. If you get married, Kela gives a positive decision based on the population register and if you start working, they will use the employment contract.

[florent]

No my European health insurance card is not anymore valid since 30th of September...

Alright thank you all for your help. I will wait for the 6 month living with my girlfriend in order to apply again. And I'll try to register as unemployed in France

[bahareh]

Hello everybody,i live in Finland with my husband who is student at the moment so he is able to use YTHS medical service and also some private European health insurances services for students in Finland.
As i am not student nor don't have a job in Finland then I am not able to apply for the Kela card and also health insurance services offered by private insurance companies in Finland (such as if ,OP and ...) as they seems only an addition to Kela and not a placement one.
i appreciate if someone please let me know what is my best option or possibility to cover up my health care and medical expenditures in Finland.

[betelgeuse]

Hello everybody,i live in Finland with my husband who is student at the moment so he is able to use YTHS medical service and also some private European health insurances services for students in Finland.
As i am not student nor don't have a job in Finland then I am not able to apply for the Kela card and also health insurance services offered by private insurance companies in Finland (such as if ,OP and ...) as they seems only an addition to Kela and not a placement one.
i appreciate if someone please let me know what is my best option or possibility to cover up my health care and medical expenditures in Finland.

You should ask the foreign companies that provide insurance solutions for students. They probably also have solutions for others.

[Lavender]

Hi, does anybody have any experience with the following: I’m from EU and was recently accepted into Kela based on family ties but at the same time I was rejected for the student allowances, as they say my reason to be here are the studies. However the studies started in September 2015, I first registered in Finland in March 2015 and lived with Finnish boyfriend in my home country whole 2014, thanks for any advice.

[betelgeuse]

Hi, does anybody have any experience with the following: I’m from EU and was recently accepted into Kela based on family ties but at the same time I was rejected for the student allowances, as they say my reason to be here are the studies. However the studies started in September 2015, I first registered in Finland in March 2015 and lived with Finnish boyfriend in my home country whole 2014, thanks for any advice.

General acceptance to Kela does not automatically mean student benefits since the latter has own specific rules. The Police and Kela do their determinations independently based on separate legislation. If your boyfriend had some other reasons for coming back to Finland besides your studies, then that can be used as an argument. However, the timeline looks like you applied to school when living abroad so Kela's determination does also seem justified.

[Lavender]

Well not really, we lived in my home country in 2014, then he had to come back because his own studies, and I followed him. I've been living in Finland since January 2015, registered at poliisi in March 2015, applied for school in May 2015 and started school in September 2015. But yeah, I know the procedures for Kela and student benefits are different, have to send an appeal then and hope for the best.

[Piet]

Well not really, we lived in my home country in 2014, then he had to come back because his own studies, and I followed him. I've been living in Finland since January 2015, registered at poliisi in March 2015, applied for school in May 2015 and started school in September 2015. But yeah, I know the procedures for Kela and student benefits are different, have to send an appeal then and hope for the best.

Get married, problem solved!

[Lavender]

Well not really, we lived in my home country in 2014, then he had to come back because his own studies, and I followed him. I've been living in Finland since January 2015, registered at poliisi in March 2015, applied for school in May 2015 and started school in September 2015. But yeah, I know the procedures for Kela and student benefits are different, have to send an appeal then and hope for the best.

Get married, problem solved!

Would that change anything? I guess they can still say I came to Finland because of studies originally...