Why? Who cares how they live? Think about your own life and don't measure it to how other foreigners are behaving.obikenobi71 wrote:I would like to know about how the muslims (the good ones, not the leech-off-tax-money) live in Lappeenranta (or the whole of Finland if applicable).
When you arrive, look at how people are then try to behave close to that (while maintaining your snowflakeness or whatever).obikenobi71 wrote:I a muslim and wanted to ask about the social and food adjustments that have to be made.
Social? Maybe the largest one is that religion is kinda like penis here: do what you want but don't swing it around in public. There are of course exceptions, both to the religion and swinging of dick. Latter is a ok when Finland wins world championship in hockey, torilla tavataan.obikenobi71 wrote:Hi,
I'm planning to apply for a Master's programme at LUT soon. Regardless of admission or not, I would like to know about how the muslims (the good ones, not the leech-off-tax-money) live in Lappeenranta (or the whole of Finland if applicable). I am a muslim and wanted to ask about the social and food adjustments that have to be made. And lastly, what do you guys think about LUT?
Hope I get some information from the residents
Since the main meat source for Fins is pork you might find yourself restricted to a smaller (and more expensive) menu.I am a muslim and wanted to ask about the social and food adjustments that have to be made.
I've accompanied friends to bars to give them company while not rubbing it my opinions or anything in anyone's faces (I live in a non-muslim majority state so I'm used to the environment). I'm the type of fellow who isn't bothered by how anyone else lives their lives. Just meant to as a general questionroger_roger wrote:It depends on what kind of muslim you are. I can give you example of two kinds of Muslims I know:obikenobi71 wrote:Hi,
I'm planning to apply for a Master's programme at LUT soon. Regardless of admission or not, I would like to know about how the muslims (the good ones, not the leech-off-tax-money) live in Lappeenranta (or the whole of Finland if applicable). I am a muslim and wanted to ask about the social and food adjustments that have to be made. And lastly, what do you guys think about LUT?
Hope I get some information from the residents
Once I was in night club with a Muslim friend from Pakistan, we were drinking with good company of others and enjoying as well. Around 2.30 there came few Muslim guys from Pakistan and when they saw my friend drinking, they pulled him to one corner and talk with him. I happen to be nearby and although I didn't understand the whole thing I could hear allaha something and I intervened and ask the other guy what he meant.... He was preaching my friend that Allaha has forbidden for them to drink and he is doing there in nightclub was sin. Then I ask the guy, if drinking is forbidden in your religion then why the f you are here in nightclub at 2.30 in the night? to drink mango juice?
The whole thing in brief is, my Muslim friend was there to enjoy and have a good night out spending his earned money without preaching about his religion, the other Muslim guys were high on their kuran notes and visit nightclub just about to close to pick up drunk girls from bar.
Thanks thoughThank you so much for that information. If I end up coming, at least I won't be lost about the details.rinso wrote:Since the main meat source for Fins is pork you might find yourself restricted to a smaller (and more expensive) menu.I am a muslim and wanted to ask about the social and food adjustments that have to be made.
Also finding halal slaughtered meat is going to be very difficult. (the law makes it nearly impossible)
Socially there should be no problem as long as you keep a low profile. Although I do expect a more unfriendly attitude towards foreigners in the future due to repeated incidents with the "not so good" immigrants.
Same as my reply to the first answer, I don't like enforcing any views on anyone what so ever.Upphew wrote:Social? Maybe the largest one is that religion is kinda like penis here: do what you want but don't swing it around in public. There are of course exceptions, both to the religion and swinging of dick. Latter is a ok when Finland wins world championship in hockey, torilla tavataan.obikenobi71 wrote:Hi,
I'm planning to apply for a Master's programme at LUT soon. Regardless of admission or not, I would like to know about how the muslims (the good ones, not the leech-off-tax-money) live in Lappeenranta (or the whole of Finland if applicable). I am a muslim and wanted to ask about the social and food adjustments that have to be made. And lastly, what do you guys think about LUT?
Hope I get some information from the residents
Food? You want something special, you pay special prices.
I apologise that I gave you the impression that I think of myself as a special snowflake haha. I do concede to making a mistake in distinguishing the types of people. Anyway, I've lived in a non-muslim majority for a while now so I know about not preaching or stuff. My intention was to see if there is anything new or different that I should know beforehand. Thanks for the help though!Beep_Boop wrote:Why? Who cares how they live? Think about your own life and don't measure it to how other foreigners are behaving.obikenobi71 wrote:I would like to know about how the muslims (the good ones, not the leech-off-tax-money) live in Lappeenranta (or the whole of Finland if applicable).
When you arrive, look at how people are then try to behave close to that (while maintaining your snowflakeness or whatever).obikenobi71 wrote:I a muslim and wanted to ask about the social and food adjustments that have to be made.
- You see people quite in the bus/metro, be quite like them or talk to your friends with a low voice.
- You don't drink alcohol? Don't make a fuss about it when you're out with others who do. Ask the bartender for juice, some non-alcoholic cocktail, etc.
- You don't eat pork? Don't make a fuss about it at the restaurant. Nothing halal/kosher available? Then take the vegetarian option today.
- Other than that, just abide by the laws of this country and you should be fine.
Let me know if I am off here, but your comment seems to imply that there is something people do in order to be subject to abuse and anger from locals, not in "your fault" type of way. You maybe disappointed if you expect that by following all the roles and being a role citizen who contributes to society you're expecting to not face harassment or injustice. Bonneheads like these aren't likely to ask you if you are a good citizen before they start abusing...obikenobi71 wrote:I would like to know about how the muslims (the good ones, not the leech-off-tax-money) live in Lappeenranta )
You are almost there. I went through the forum before starting a new topic and did see alot of issues regarding groups of people who have committed crimes, sort of "a bitter taste" amongst the locals. I'm just slightly insecure because it would be my first time in Europe in general (I have stayed in a few nations in Asia over the course of my studies). I don't mind learning Finnish though, honestly. If I had any experience of outright unfair treatment, I would naturally brace myself and not ask beforehand hahaajdias wrote:Let me know if I am off here, but your comment seems to imply that there is something people do in order to be subject to abuse and anger from locals; not in "your fault" type of way, but you maybe disappointed if you expect that by following all the roles and being a role citizen who contributes to society you're expecting to not face harassment or injustice. Bonneheads like these aren't likely to ask you if you are a good citizen before they start abusing...obikenobi71 wrote:I would like to know about how the muslims (the good ones, not the leech-off-tax-money) live in Lappeenranta )
People sometimes ask here if there is racism in Finland and the answers here are the ones you'd expect from a bunch of white males... I'm one myself, european white, and could perhaps name two situations (in 15 years) when I may have faced racism. And those are laughable cases, nothing really that I can point as a patent racism.
Instead of asking if there is racism, it is perhaps more useful think there are two questions that people should ask, when asking what is it like to be a foreigner in a culture:These are related. When it comes to yourself, there are things that you can not change like your skin color or your psychological bias (at least not in the short term) and others that you can change at more or less ease (the way you dress). How close or far is your tone of skin? Generally, the further it deviates from white/pinkish, the higher the chance of being subject to prejudice. Attitude is another big one. A friend of mine born less than 100 kms from me will tell you about racism on a daily case. As you can imagine, he's a rather negative person. But his experience is real - in his mind at least, and wears him down, as well as others around him.
- What, about yourself, is likely to trigger prejudice?
How much will you have to give up, or instead face prejudice? (and that is different from what you give up because of inappropriate language skills or other skills)
I'm not blaming people for their beliefs - if anyone thinks that those are easy to change ask yourself who pays all those therapists. I'd rather make a case for knowing yourself and how can you handle perceived or outright unfairness.
The second question is the most important, and is related to the former. We probably don't think of it because for most of us, we either don't have that many restrictions, we are not interested to start with (think of going to a bar where right wing bald men meet...), or we talked ourselves that we don't need (see comment above about keeping a low profile. Even if Rinso means don't get on trouble, we still end up restricting ourselves). You may face or perceive prejudice if you go to certain areas, if you try certain activities. Sometimes even if you try to keep a high (positive) profile.
. So I take it I need to be flexible in terms of the kind of lifestyle I will be living, depending on the environment? Excuse me if I took a wrong assumption.Finland won't be the easiest country to move in Europe and Lpr won't be the easiest town in Finland. On positive side LUT and SVV are more international than Lpr in general. Unless the Russian ruble gains some value again.obikenobi71 wrote:You are almost there. I went through the forum before starting a new topic and did see alot of issues regarding groups of people who have committed crimes, sort of "a bitter taste" amongst the locals. I'm just slightly insecure because it would be my first time in Europe in general (I have stayed in a few nations in Asia over the course of my studies). I don't mind learning Finnish though, honestly. If I had any experience of outright unfair treatment, I would naturally brace myself and not ask beforehand haha
That won't help when they slap the orange goo on the meat after thatCory wrote:Broilers are slaughtered halal in Finland by the larger meat processing companies.rinso wrote: Also finding halal slaughtered meat is going to be very difficult. (the law makes it nearly impossible)
Well, I can still try nonethelessUpphew wrote:Finland won't be the easiest country to move in Europe and Lpr won't be the easiest town in Finland. On positive side LUT and SVV are more international than Lpr in general. Unless the Russian ruble gains some value again.obikenobi71 wrote:You are almost there. I went through the forum before starting a new topic and did see alot of issues regarding groups of people who have committed crimes, sort of "a bitter taste" amongst the locals. I'm just slightly insecure because it would be my first time in Europe in general (I have stayed in a few nations in Asia over the course of my studies). I don't mind learning Finnish though, honestly. If I had any experience of outright unfair treatment, I would naturally brace myself and not ask beforehand haha
Frankly you won't learn Finnish, but effort will be appreciated. I can understand when some immigrants just skip the language, but then they live in a bubble. You can take it as a positive or negative.
As the age old saying says: when in Rome...
helps building friendships faster with locals (comes from experience haha)That just went over my head. Orange goo is..?Upphew wrote:That won't help when they slap the orange goo on the meat after thatCory wrote:Broilers are slaughtered halal in Finland by the larger meat processing companies.rinso wrote: Also finding halal slaughtered meat is going to be very difficult. (the law makes it nearly impossible)
http://www.k-ruoka.fi/pirkka-tuotteet/p ... issa-420g/obikenobi71 wrote:That just went over my head. Orange goo is..?Upphew wrote:That won't help when they slap the orange goo on the meat after that
I find that very offensive. Every time I go to the store, I have to be subjected to these scenes of horror. How can anybody do this to chicken?Upphew wrote:Effing honey marinade...
Know yourself. Some people don't mind living on a bubble, and many of us can be happily unaware of the bubble we live in - with foreigners and like minded Finns. But it can be more restrictive, specially if you look like like certain minorities. Some people don't mind it, others can ignore it, while others can become pretty angry at society.obikenobi71 wrote: You are almost there. I went through the forum before starting a new topic and did see alot of issues regarding groups of people who have committed crimes, sort of "a bitter taste" amongst the locals. I'm just slightly insecure because it would be my first time in Europe in general (I have stayed in a few nations in Asia over the course of my studies). I don't mind learning Finnish though, honestly. If I had any experience of outright unfair treatment, I would naturally brace myself and not ask beforehand haha
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=90131&start=120I think, racism in Finland is much more than it is claimed in the following link which says that "14% admitted to being racists themselves"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Finland
The possible reason that there is more racism than what is mentioned in the link is that many Finns do not know (or do not care) the difference between racism and discrimination. Why I am telling so? Well:
When I have confronted some Finns with such situations or talked about it with other Finns after the incidents most of them try to justify it by telling " WE DO THE SAME TO FINNS AS WELL". Some of my friends and some other foreign people (Non-EU), with whom I talked about racism in Finland, have experienced similar kinds of situations.
What I mean is: So, I think, these kinds of Finns do not know that when they behave differently (or make a difference) with a Finn, it is discrimination and when they do same thing [behave differently (or make a difference)] with someone of different skin colour/religion/country of origin, sexual orientation, race etc, that can be considered racism. Therefore, when these Finns are/will be asked by surveyors whether they are racists, they will surely claim that they are not racist.
