how offensive (degree of crime) and what police would do

bd_tkk · Post by **bd_tkk** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:58 am

Dear nice people,

One of my friends is new in Finland and wants to know some information regarding action of police for small offense and crime in Finland. He was threatened by another foreigner (neighbor) few days ago.

How offensive it is in Finland if someone threatens another person that he (someone) would blow in the face and beat another person? What kind of action police would take if the threatened person calls police or files a case against that person? Is it a crime in Finland to call names such as a**hole or mother fu**** or Bastard ? If yes, how offensive it is? Would police take any action against it?

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Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:38 am

bd_tkk wrote: How offensive it is in Finland if someone threatens another person that he (someone) would blow in the face and beat another person?

Illegal threat.

a**hole or mother fu**** or Bastard ?

Kunnianloukkaus ('slander' or something like that)

They can be prosecuted if the offended party requests that.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:04 am

They can be prosecuted if the offended party requests that.

They can, but will they?
It is highly unlikely the police will do anything if it's a disagreement where emotion run high. If it's a structural thread the police will pay more attention. But as long as it remains verbal, I don't think there will be a prosecution.
And for a prosecution you need some prove. If it remains a "he said, she said" hardly anything can be done.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:43 am

rinso wrote:
They can be prosecuted if the offended party requests that.
They can, but will they?
It is highly unlikely the police will do anything if it's a disagreement where emotion run high. If it's a structural thread the police will pay more attention. But as long as it remains verbal, I don't think there will be a prosecution.
And for a prosecution you need some prove. If it remains a "he said, she said" hardly anything can be done.

If they don't, you have the option to prosecute yourself: "Asianomistaja saa itse nostaa syytteen rikoksesta vain silloin, mikäli virallinen syyttäjä on päättänyt jättää syytteen nostamatta, tai mikäli esitutkintaviranomainen taikka syyttäjä on päättänyt, ettei esitutkintaa toimiteta, tai että se keskeytetään taikka lopetetaan."

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Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:13 am

betelgeuse wrote:If they don't, you have the option to prosecute yourself

Very very interesting. So, merely calling someone "a**hole" or "mofo" can be considered kunnianloukkaus? To me, this sounds a bit far fetched and excessive.
Or do you mean you always have the option to press charges even in something as minimal as this?

Anybody aware of any precedents in the Finland where something like that is ruled kunnianloukkaus?

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:53 pm

Beep_Boop wrote:
betelgeuse wrote:If they don't, you have the option to prosecute yourself
Very very interesting. So, merely calling someone "a**hole" or "mofo" can be considered kunnianloukkaus? To me, this sounds a bit far fetched and excessive.
Or do you mean you always have the option to press charges even in something as minimal as this?

Anybody aware of any precedents in the Finland where something like that is ruled kunnianloukkaus?

If I tell you you're an a$$hole, that's an insult. If I tell your fiancée's parents you are, that might be slander, but it's arguably a matter of opinion. If I tell them you had sexual relations with my horse, that's a testable question of fact and probably actionable. If I tell your boss and you lose your job, that's almost certainly actionable. Unless I have video of it on my cellphone, I mean

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:13 pm

AldenG wrote:Unless I have video of it on my cellphone, I mean

And then it is salakatselu

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:15 pm

Beep_Boop wrote:
betelgeuse wrote:If they don't, you have the option to prosecute yourself
Very very interesting. So, merely calling someone "a**hole" or "mofo" can be considered kunnianloukkaus? To me, this sounds a bit far fetched and excessive.

I didn't comment on the chances of such prosecution succeeding. If it's meritless, it's a crime: "Se, jota vastaan syyttämispyyntö on tehty tai jota on rikoksesta syytetty, voi aina kuitenkin ilman edellä tarkoitettua syyttäjän päätöstä itse nostaa syytteen väärästä ja todistamattomasta ilmiannosta."

Beep_Boop wrote: Or do you mean you always have the option to press charges even in something as minimal as this?

Correct. You always have the right to press charges. However, it does not come without costs and risks.

Flossy1978 · Post by **Flossy1978** » Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:59 pm

I knew someone in Finland who won against another person in court about slander. The other person was bitching about my friend. She took them to court and won I think it was 1500€.

Flossy1978 · Post by **Flossy1978** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:12 pm

She got I think about 7000-8000 markka. It was a long time ago.

newborn · Post by **newborn** » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:13 pm

I think, case against women are taken more seriously than men. I mean when a woman is called wh**e/b**ch by a man it is considered more seriously by law than when a man is called son of a b**ch, a-hole or Ba***rd. Therefore, I think 1500€ fine is quite possible against the persons who call names of a woman.

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