dishwasher installation

[clifop]

Would anyone know who I can contact to get a dishwasher installed? I'm getting quoted on average ‎€120 to ‎€150. It seems excessive to simply attach two nozzles. I would do it myself but I have to get it professionally installed for insurance purposes. Thanks!

[leisl]

It seems a rort at first, but they do have to pay for their insurance, expose themselves legally to your insurer, be accredited and qualified, travel, own a van, pay for their tools etc, and then charge you for a minimum of an hour of their time.

But I am glad you're not DIY-ing. We've had someone in these forums who did, they ruined a kitchen and floor, and then came crying that they shouldn't have to pay their landlord the thousands it cost to repair.

[Upphew]

It seems a rort at first, but they do have to pay for their insurance, expose themselves legally to your insurer, be accredited and qualified, travel, own a van, pay for their tools etc, and then charge you for a minimum of an hour of their time.

But I am glad you're not DIY-ing. We've had someone in these forums who did, they ruined a kitchen and floor, and then came crying that they shouldn't have to pay their landlord the thousands it cost to repair.

Then again, if you buy your washer and vat from gigantti, their installation costs 39,90...

[Rosamunda]

It's expensive because the government insists on making sole traders (like plumbers) pay VAT. Services like that are way cheaper in other countries because sole-traders are VAT exempt under a certain threshold, or a lower rate is charged (eg 10% in France). The govt could do so much more here to encourage people into self-employment or entrepreneurship. But while vast tracts of the economy are controlled by organisations that enjoy a quasi-monopoly, and these organizations are over-represented in Parliament, nothing much will change.

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[betelgeuse]

It's expensive because the government insists on making sole traders (like plumbers) pay VAT. Services like that are way cheaper in other countries because sole-traders are VAT exempt under a certain threshold, or a lower rate is charged (eg 10% in France). The govt could do so much more here to encourage people into self-employment or entrepreneurship.

There are thresholds but they are much lower in Finland. You will have to pay in full with with revenue over 30k.

But while vast tracts of the economy are controlled by organisations that enjoy a quasi-monopoly, and these organizations are over-represented in Parliament, nothing much will change.

With the tax monopoly going down there's at least slim hope.

Then again, if you buy your washer and vat from gigantti, their installation costs 39,90...

I doubt Gigantti aims to make a profit with it. Could even be making a loss.

[clifop]

Ah ok, thanks for the reply guys. I thought my post got deleted for some reason. Anyways I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being over charged for being a clueless foreigner.

Although these prices are making me re-consider my career choices in Finland.

[leisl]

The Gigantti example was for a (clothes) washing machine as far as I know. If it's the same price for a dishwasher, I'm sure it only counts for a simple ten-minute swap! They did one for me recently (clothes washer). And I know what they do for it... literally connect a tap and drain hose then use a spirit level to get the machine flat. I could do it myself if I had a grunt to do the lifting and had a more level floor We paid for it because it's annoying to level a machine on a slope and not have the thing walk across the floor after the first week.

Dishwashers seem to be a little more work in installation, especially if they need to actually disassemble the underside of the sink and create a water supply for the machine, and/or install the safety tray (check your building's rules, because you might need one - in my investment apartment, this would have meant major work to my kitchen involving cutting out part of a cabinet, so we decided not to go ahead). But even if it's a simple swap of old for new, the Gigantti people already had the van, insurance, and already did the travelling to come out to you, etc. That makes a cheap installation fee a very efficient add-on for them and for you.

[Upphew]

The Gigantti example was for a (clothes) washing machine as far as I know. If it's the same price for a dishwasher, I'm sure it only counts for a simple ten-minute swap! They did one for me recently (clothes washer). And I know what they do for it... literally connect a tap and drain hose then use a spirit level to get the machine flat. I could do it myself if I had a grunt to do the lifting and had a more level floor We paid for it because it's annoying to level a machine on a slope and not have the thing walk across the floor after the first week.

Dishwashers seem to be a little more work in installation, especially if they need to actually disassemble the underside of the sink and create a water supply for the machine, and/or install the safety tray (check your building's rules, because you might need one - in my investment apartment, this would have meant major work to my kitchen involving cutting out part of a cabinet, so we decided not to go ahead). But even if it's a simple swap of old for new, the Gigantti people already had the van, insurance, and already did the travelling to come out to you, etc. That makes a cheap installation fee a very efficient add-on for them and for you.

Safety tray was mentioned (I used the vat term) because I read about it in gigantti's pages. This page don't mention it, but the price is the same still: http://www.gigantti.fi/cms/knowhow-asen ... npesukone/

[harryc]

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[Rosamunda]

It's expensive because the government insists on making sole traders (like plumbers) pay VAT. Services like that are way cheaper in other countries because sole-traders are VAT exempt under a certain threshold, or a lower rate is charged (eg 10% in France). The govt could do so much more here to encourage people into self-employment or entrepreneurship.

There are thresholds but they are much lower in Finland. You will have to pay in full with with revenue over 30k.
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But the customer still has to pay the full amount of VAT when the seller can benefit from the low-income rebate. That's the point I was making to explain why services here are so expensive for the buyer.

[harryc]

betelgeuse wrote:
Rosamunda wrote:
It's expensive because the government insists on making sole traders (like plumbers) pay VAT. Services like that are way cheaper in other countries because sole-traders are VAT exempt under a certain threshold, or a lower rate is charged (eg 10% in France). The govt could do so much more here to encourage people into self-employment or entrepreneurship.


There are thresholds but they are much lower in Finland. You will have to pay in full with with revenue over 30k.
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But the customer still has to pay the full amount of VAT when the seller can benefit from the low-income rebate. That's the point I was making to explain why services here are so expensive for the buyer.

Theoretically - if the seller KNOWS ahead of time that they will only sell 15-20k in a year - they can themselves make the price cheaper.

The whole system is on a sliding % basis - it's only zero VAT for the seller if the sales remains under 10k - they will get a rebate up through 30k - but its only partial.

[007]

Off-topic.

It makes me laugh even to imagine a situation where you buy a used dishwasher which costs you about 50€ and pay extra 150€ just to get it installed.

I installed both dishwasher and washing machine by myself. We just make sure that we don't leave them running while we are away.

[Upphew]

Then again, if you buy your washer and vat from gigantti, their installation costs 39,90...

Not sure now but few years ago only buying installations from Gigantti was not possible. I had to pay for both transport and installation as the service was combined and not provided separately. They charged me 60 euros on top of machine and floor protection (damn this small piece of plastic was really expensive, it doesn't look like 5 euros piece but costs around 30)

While moving apartments I have always done the installations myself, if not sure watch some DIY videos on youtube. Generally there are two hoses, one goes to water supply another goes to drain. Check the kitchen taps for available places to fit the end of hoses (rare case, but sometimes you may need adapters, as I've noticed with washing machines all the taps are not of same size and need extra adapter, but I've never need adapter for dishwasher). Also buying the teflon tape (available in clas ohlson ) would help to seal the pipes tighter and reduces chances of leakage.

I'm quite DIY minded, but I have become lazier every year. And more cautious. Few years ago, first winter in new (for me) apartment, I did something unheard of: I called the service company to come and let the air out of radiators. They came and promptly broke the valve. Boy was I glad to have someone else to do that and splash the oily water everywhere and have them call the plumber to the rescue. With the new valve I've been as brave as usually and done the operation myself.

[Upphew]

They came and promptly broke the valve. Boy was I glad to have someone else to do that and splash the oily water everywhere and have them call the plumber to the rescue.

what happens in such case? do they charge you for whole thing? I mean also the plumbers' service charge, cleaning, etc? or they acknowledge it was their mistake and you only pay for the time they took to clean the radiators.

Apartment building so the radiators are property of the housing company anyway. I wasn't at home during that time, the maintenance dude had used baking tray to collect the water and had tried to clean walls and radiator. I paid nothing, but had I called a plumber to do the job when I should have called the plumber then I might have been liable to pay the difference. One should check the water level in the system after getting the air out, and especially after you let water out, so without proper keys a plumber couldn't do that.

[salmanmanekia]

Hi,

Does somebody know of a professional who could install the dishwasher in Espoo area. I am looking for a professional so that I can have a receipt that some professional installed it in case I have to use it later for insurance purpose.