Citizenship Application 2021

[parrraxitamoan]

Hi, do you send them email in Finnish language or English? Checking the thread I could see you applied in March 2020, is that right? They told a friend last month they are processing applications submitted in September 2019, if you applied March 2020 then how come they told you last month they will process yours in a month's time, it means they just lie to people anyhow?

Well, they have already given decisions on the cases filed in Nov 2020. There are two recent examples in this thread alone. Migir doesn't have a transparent process. The decision depends upon various factors apparently. The person handling the case seems to be one. The country of origin of the application also makes a huge difference in how the application is handled.

So which month are they processing now, do you've any idea? How long have you been waiting and is your country on the list? This list doesn't make sense, as anyone who is corrupt can fake his identity, I think for people to live here for long and extend their RP many times, it doesn't make sense when applying for citizenship you now tell them their identity is not well established or they need to investigate, why give them RPs first if you think their identities are not reliable? Migri is just making silly excuses to keep applications for long!!

An RP might be called permanent but it still has a duration of its validity, even the P can be revoked but a citizenship cannot be easily revoked unless one gained it by providing false information or something very extreme. A citizenship also gives you other rights that RP holders don't have such as international protection from Finnish consultates overseas, let's say in case you committed a crime overseas then the Finnish consulate might have to step in to ensure its citizen rights, and sometimes even have to save you from an execution in certain countries. Of course my example is very extreme but basically you can think about it as a inreversible decision so it does make sense to me at least that the identity establishment suddenly becomes a bigger deal.

[betelgeuse]

An RP might be called permanent but it still has a duration of its validity, even the P can be revoked but a citizenship cannot be easily revoked unless one gained it by providing false information or something very extreme.

Only the card has a duration. The digital status continues to exist after the card expires. Your residence does not become illegal if you forget to renew the card.

[parrraxitamoan]

An RP might be called permanent but it still has a duration of its validity, even the P can be revoked but a citizenship cannot be easily revoked unless one gained it by providing false information or something very extreme.

Only the card has a duration. The digital status continues to exist after the card expires. Your residence does not become illegal if you forget to renew the card.

I understand but that is not what I meant. You still can lose your P type RP after a certain period of time being away from Finland if I remember correctly, and I believe if you at some point become a national threat or something like that it can also be revoked, the point is it isn't as permanent as "lifetime"

https://migri.fi/en/cancellation-and-ex ... -residence

[FinlandGirl]

I understand but that is not what I meant. You still can lose your P type RP after a certain period of time being away from Finland if I remember correctly, and I believe if you at some point become a national threat or something like that it can also be revoked, the point is it isn't as permanent as "lifetime"

https://migri.fi/en/cancellation-and-ex ... -residence

Your link is unrelated to RP, it is for right of residence of EU citizens and their family members.

[Jbesson]

So, I’m waiting for the citizenship since Nov 2020 and in the end of April my current RP expires. Do you know, does it matter what type of residence permit I apply for when my current RP expires? I have two options:

1) apply for normal extended permit (takes 3-4 months to make, costs 260 EUR)
or
2) apply for permanent RP (take almost a year to make, costs 190 EUR) as I meet the conditions.

Does it matter to Migri, which one I choose? Since I’m waiting for the decision on citizenship, processing of the new permit will put it on hold (as Migri officer explained to me during the interview) and I don’t want it to be on hold for 1 year while my permanent one is in processing... Do they care if I just go with the faster option?

[NaLeKoNa]

Well, they have already given decisions on the cases filed in Nov 2020. There are two recent examples in this thread alone. Migir doesn't have a transparent process. The decision depends upon various factors apparently. The person handling the case seems to be one. The country of origin of the application also makes a huge difference in how the application is handled.

So which month are they processing now, do you've any idea? How long have you been waiting and is your country on the list? This list doesn't make sense, as anyone who is corrupt can fake his identity, I think for people to live here for long and extend their RP many times, it doesn't make sense when applying for citizenship you now tell them their identity is not well established or they need to investigate, why give them RPs first if you think their identities are not reliable? Migri is just making silly excuses to keep applications for long!!

Well you're right, it makes sense to make sure the identity is well established before granting someone citizenship but still why make a list of some countries to say they're not reliable, we all have bad(corrupt) people in every country of the world who can fake their identity if they wish.


An RP might be called permanent but it still has a duration of its validity, even the P can be revoked but a citizenship cannot be easily revoked unless one gained it by providing false information or something very extreme. A citizenship also gives you other rights that RP holders don't have such as international protection from Finnish consultates overseas, let's say in case you committed a crime overseas then the Finnish consulate might have to step in to ensure its citizen rights, and sometimes even have to save you from an execution in certain countries. Of course my example is very extreme but basically you can think about it as a inreversible decision so it does make sense to me at least that the identity establishment suddenly becomes a bigger deal.

[NaLeKoNa]

So, I’m waiting for the citizenship since Nov 2020 and in the end of April my current RP expires. Do you know, does it matter what type of residence permit I apply for when my current RP expires? I have two options:

1) apply for normal extended permit (takes 3-4 months to make, costs 260 EUR)
or
2) apply for permanent RP (take almost a year to make, costs 190 EUR) as I meet the conditions.

Does it matter to Migri, which one I choose? Since I’m waiting for the decision on citizenship, processing of the new permit will put it on hold (as Migri officer explained to me during the interview) and I don’t want it to be on hold for 1 year while my permanent one is in processing... Do they care if I just go with the faster option? <span class="emoji-outer emoji-sizer"><span class="emoji-inner" style="background: url(chrome-extension://immhpnclomdloikkpcefncmfgjbkojmh/emoji-data/sheet_apple_32.png);background-position:59.9882491186839% 67.97884841363103%;background-size:5418.75% 5418.75%" data-codepoints="1f605"></span></span>

If I were you, I will go for the faster option and pay the 260 euros so that your application won't pause for 1yr waiting for RP, as if you get ur citizenship decision the permanent RP is of no use to you again!

[akuno_hime_1412]

Does anyone know what is usually the ground for giving a negative decision for citizenship application?

[Esu]

Does anyone know what is usually the ground for giving a negative decision for citizenship application?

Reasons could be: you are not yet due, or you gave a wrong information. The people I know that have gotten a negative decision falsified their age when they came here.

[pentosa]

So, my story:

Applied 28.08.20 in Helsinki. Got a positive decision today 12.03.21

I checked enterfinland in the morning, my application was still waiting for processing and there were 2200 people before me.
I sent them payslips every 2 months - they didn't ask me anything further.

My background:
Came as a student in 2012. Status A from 2017 onwards, permanent job. Russian citizen.

[Esu]

So, my story:

Applied 28.08.20 in Helsinki. Got a positive decision today 12.03.21

I checked enterfinland in the morning, my application was still waiting for processing and there were 2200 people before me.
I sent them payslips every 2 months - they didn't ask me anything further.

My background:
Came as a student in 2012. Status A from 2017 onwards, permanent job. Russian citizen.

Congrats!!!

My own story, visited the service point 29.01.2020
Came to Finland as a student in 2014, got A status in 2017, Permanent job, I’ve been uploading my payslips every 2 months, 823 on the crazy queue, country on the crazy list, status: waiting for the processing.

[maskara]

So, my story:

Applied 28.08.20 in Helsinki. Got a positive decision today 12.03.21

I checked enterfinland in the morning, my application was still waiting for processing and there were 2200 people before me.
I sent them payslips every 2 months - they didn't ask me anything further.

My background:
Came as a student in 2012. Status A from 2017 onwards, permanent job. Russian citizen.

Congrats. So did you get notification with email or sms about the decision made or you just logged in and saw the decision?

[pentosa]

So, my story:

Applied 28.08.20 in Helsinki. Got a positive decision today 12.03.21

I checked enterfinland in the morning, my application was still waiting for processing and there were 2200 people before me.
I sent them payslips every 2 months - they didn't ask me anything further.

My background:
Came as a student in 2012. Status A from 2017 onwards, permanent job. Russian citizen.

Congrats. So did you get notification with email or sms about the decision made or you just logged in and saw the decision?

Yes, I got a text message and an email saying “Sinulle on annettu tiedoksi uusi päätös, joka on luettavissa asiointitililläsi. Ystävällisin terveisin Maahanmuuttovirasto”

[maskara]

So, my story:

Applied 28.08.20 in Helsinki. Got a positive decision today 12.03.21

I checked enterfinland in the morning, my application was still waiting for processing and there were 2200 people before me.
I sent them payslips every 2 months - they didn't ask me anything further.

My background:
Came as a student in 2012. Status A from 2017 onwards, permanent job. Russian citizen.

Congrats. So did you get notification with email or sms about the decision made or you just logged in and saw the decision?

Yes, I got a text message and an email saying “Sinulle on annettu tiedoksi uusi päätös, joka on luettavissa asiointitililläsi. Ystävällisin terveisin Maahanmuuttovirasto”

Thanks for reply. Apparently Russians get faster decision.

[Mrpotatis]

Hello guys,
Since there is a lot of debate and arguments about the queues and queue numbers, i have been wondering, is there any way to actually confirm which line someone's application is in???
I saw many people saying if your country is in the list then it means you are in the slower line out of the two lines but I am a bit skeptical about that based on my own experience.
Here's my experience:
I heard that there are two queues in migri. One for general applications and one for those who did not have visa before arrival to Finland (mostly applicable to many asylum seekers but not necessarily all+other cases) OR those who arrived to Finland without having a national passport (again could apply to some asylum seekers but not necessarily all). It basically never said that if your country is on the list then you are in the second slower line. The website only says that your application may take a bit longer than average but the average for each line is different.
I applied almost at the same time with my friend. At the time of application there was 4000+ in the normal line and 3800+ in the second slower line (according to the time estimator on migri's website)
- my country is on the list. But I came with a national passport and a RP from embassy beforehand. At the time of application my queue number was above 4000 so I assumed I was in the general line (maybe I am mistaken and I just assumed based on the numbers on migri's website)
- but my friend's case kinda confirms what I assumed since he came as an asylum seeker (didn't aquire a RP before coming ) and at the time of his application his line number was 3800+ not 4000+ like mine (the number he had kinda matches the slower line number on migri's website at the time)



I think we deserve more information from migri about how our applications are being handled. It's in the law anyway.......