Nokia Market share crash...

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OK, there are several platforms. Series 40, 60, 80 and 90. All except 40 use Symbian as an operating system, 40 uses Nokia's proprietory OS.

I just went through a white paper from Nokia on system 90. It looks to me as though there are three ways of implementing applications on this and the other Symbian OS platforms.
1) Symbian native applications, these use Symbian for their implementation and can not work without it.
2) Java applications, that as far as I can see, do not use Symbian.
3) Legacy applications running through the Series 40 Implementation, but this appears to be Java again. and is essentially to aid developers in producing applications from the older platforms

If my understanding is correct, the both Pierrot and I would be correct ie, Symbian is more closely integrated into the platform than I was aware, but that it does not have to be used to make applications work. Again making an analogy; somewhat like running Windows 98, but using DOS for games, even though most applications would be written using the WIndows toolkits and functionality.

Have I understood correctly now?

[Mook]

"Series 60 Platform runs on top of an open operating system (Symbian OS)."

It also says that it includes symbian OS.

Alas I've forgotten almost everything I learnt at the big N, so I just had a little look at the propaganda. (for instance older models had Symbian and the phone application running in parallel on top of an own OS)

Anyhow, it looks like series 60 is a (set of?) symbian applcations and Symbian itself appears to do OS-ish things like memory management and having threads. So, to create a series 60 phone you've got to write some device drivers (important bits are already available if you use ARM processors)

[alloydog]

"40 uses Nokia's proprietory OS"

I think you'll find that Symbian is effectively a Nokia proprietory OS as well, as they now control it totally...

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michael-

To a layman, the language and diagrams that Nokia uses are, I think somewhat confusing, they do seem to interchange terms a little, even within the paper that I read before making the post above yours. Th eexample that you pointed out being just one. I guess to the developer community, this is not an issue, language commonly being used to exclude those perceived as not being part of the community.

[Mook]

Jep,

It's even confusing for developers. You read and read and read and suddenly you discover "oh, it works the same as everyone elses thingy".

Three years ago at least two of the pieces in there would be described as middleware (At least there's no service platforms).

"Everyone knows what an OS is right? (windows) So we'll call it that"

[Kimi]

I'm an American stockbroker / financial advisor / private investor, and invariably the first thing out of a Finn's mouth when they learn what I do is: "Do you think Nokia..." You can insert your typical question there.

A little backsliding and a slap or two can be good for Nokia. It brings attention to bear on the management, who will work all the harder to focus on what needs to be focused on. I'm impressed by Nokia's more long-term approach, which is in contrast to Motorola's quarter-by-quarter, for instance.

The mobile phone is a maturing / matured market in the developed world, so a slide in market share is normally frowned upon by armchair investors. However, it doesn't have to be. I think some nice healthy competition is good for the company. I'm still bullish.

[Kemars]

I'm an American stockbroker / financial advisor / private investor, and invariably the first thing out of a Finn's mouth when they learn what I do is: "Do you think Nokia..." You can insert your typical question there.

A little backsliding and a slap or two can be good for Nokia. It brings attention to bear on the management, who will work all the harder to focus on what needs to be focused on. I'm impressed by Nokia's more long-term approach, which is in contrast to Motorola's quarter-by-quarter, for instance.

The mobile phone is a maturing / matured market in the developed world, so a slide in market share is normally frowned upon by armchair investors. However, it doesn't have to be. I think some nice healthy competition is good for the company. I'm still bullish.

I like it.