Cheap Breadmakers at Myyrmäki!

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Post by sds » Wed Oct 13, 2004 4:34 pm

Cory wrote:It's ridiculous that, if you did indeed follow the instructions in the recipe book included with the machine, you had to make 12 loaves to find the correct ingredients. I hope that you also included in your letter a quote of the cost of all the ingredients you wasted.
I just received a response from Truebell. They decided to send me their recipe book, so I can try a recipe from that. Then if I still meet with failure they will decide what to do next.

They sounded very surprised and disturbed at my lack of success. So I will report back when I have the book and have tried again.

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Post by Rosamunda » Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:39 pm

Well, I took the plunge and braved the Hullut Päivät and got us the Kenwood BM200, - it was hell in Tapiola but luckily I bumped into a friend who had been called in to work on the household section so I didn't even have to queue up 8) . Now I am waiting for dh to come home because the recipe book is in Finnish.... :roll: I can just about figure out the manual (which also came in Swedish, Norwegian and Danish) but there are no recipes in the manual. Also posted off a letter to Kenwood UK (by snail-mail) asking them to please send an English version to Espoo. They have some excellent recipes on their website http://www.kenwood.co.uk but none for the breadmaker :roll:

I'm so excited...... :?

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Post by dusty_bin » Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:25 pm

Instructions can be found here: http://www.kenwoodservice.co.uk/instruc ... 200new.pdf

There are some basic recipes and guides for adapting recipes in here.

Oh, here is some info and links to more recipes and stuff.
http://www.sourcekeg.co.uk/guides/bread ... 0guide.htm

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Post by Rosamunda » Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:33 pm

Well thank you sir. :)

There seems to be a small problem in that nearly all of the recipes contain skimmed milk powder (one of mine has a milk allergy). So I will have to go on the hunt for powdered soja milk which I am sure I have seen somewhere.

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Post by Frypan » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:19 pm

sds,

thanks for the pic of the breadmaker. Yep, it was the one I saw at citymarket.

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Post by Rosamunda » Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:48 pm

Cory wrote:
In the place of water and milk powder, I've successfully subsitituted soja or oat based drinks. The milk powder is for flavour only.

Cory
Well this morning I just used water and left out the milk powder and it worked fine. Then this afternoon I bought some powdered soja in Citymarket but haven't tried using it yet. The soja is good for calcium so I'd like to use it.... The first loaf I made (yesterday) was OK a bit sticky and sank a little but I realised I had not put enough salt in. The second one was great but weighed only about 750 g even though the book said it was a 900 g loaf. But I used the exact quantities stated in the recipe so I don't see how it could possibly be a 900g loaf....??????

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Post by sds » Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:30 pm

penelope wrote:The second one was great but weighed only about 750 g even though the book said it was a 900 g loaf.
You made a great loaf on your second attempt??? Now I am sick as a parrot :)

I sent an email to the manufacturers of the Chef machine this morning detailing my using the exact recipes they sent me, and the inevitable failures that resulted.

I will see what they suggest, but maybe I will just ask to get my money back so I can buy a Kenwood (or other) machine. How much did you pay for it in Hullut Päivät?

Regards,
Stephen.

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Post by Rosamunda » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:35 pm

IIRC it was 80 euro but my friend who was working in there said the usual price was 120 euro.

Yes I have now made three OK loaves and last night I used the timer so we had hot bread for breakfast. This last one had really risen well and there was an even consistency on the inside. I have followed the recipes EXACTLY as per the English recipe book - if you follow up dusty-bin's link to the Kenwood pdf file all the recipes are in there (I made #2 last night). I used Myllärin hiivaleipävehnäjauho and Rainbow kuivahiiva, Espoo tap water, regular fine salt, and the lactose free Sunnuntai margarine (silver wrapper) and castor sugar. I left out the dried milk powder. There is a section in the Kenwood manual for trouble-shooting.... which you might find helpful :wink:

My only complaints are (1) the biggest loaf is not really huge (it weighs approx 750 g) so I need to make 2 per day (atleast at week-ends) and (2) it is noisy. It woke me up at about 5 a.m. this morning during the kneading cycle - a beeper alarm goes off to warn you that now is the time to add those little extras like pumpkin seeds etc etc. :roll: Also the French loaf has a "punching" cycle which is kind of violent.

I spent a while comparing the Finnish recipe book that was in the box to the English version which I printed from dusty_bin's link. There were some very strange differences in the ingredients and the proportions and even a few clearly identifyable typos.... So my guess is that your Citymarket recipe book got lost in translation.... :cry:

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Post by Rosamunda » Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:40 pm

:idea:

what is the v/Hz/W of your machine??? Mine (the Kenwood BM200) is 220-240V 50/60Hz and 613-730W

I only ask because I just remembered I once bought a slo-cooker in the UK and it never worked in France (the food didn't cook at all, not even slo-ly). My dad reckoned it was a problem with the Hz (though I would not have a clue what that means.....)

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Post by sds » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:05 pm

penelope wrote::idea:

what is the v/Hz/W of your machine??? Mine (the Kenwood BM200) is 220-240V 50/60Hz and 613-730W

I only ask because I just remembered I once bought a slo-cooker in the UK and it never worked in France (the food didn't cook at all, not even slo-ly). My dad reckoned it was a problem with the Hz (though I would not have a clue what that means.....)
No response from Truebell yet on my email from Monday. The spec of the machine is 230V/50Hz/600W. But the frequency(Hz) and voltage(V) values are standard around europe these days and it shouldn't be a problem - particularly as my machine is specifically imported for the finnish market.

I will check out the Kenwood recipes and thanks for the details of your exact ingredients. My machine wakes me up too - and I don't even get hot bread for breakfast :(

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Post by sds » Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:07 pm

Well, bread fans, here is the final word from Truebell:
DEAR STEPHEN,
WE HAVE COME TO A CONCLUSION THAT IT´S USELESS FOR YOU TO TRY TO DO ANY MORE
TESTS WITH THIS MACHINE. WE ARE TRULY SORRY FOR YOUR TROUBLE AND WE WOULD
LIKE TO MAKE IT UP TO YOU SOMEHOW. PLS RETURN THIS MACHINE TO THE CITYMARKET
WHERE YOU ORIGINALLY BOUGHT IT. THEY WILL RETURN YOUR MONEY.
COULD YOU PLS GIVE ME YOUR HOME ADDRESS SO I CAN SEND YOU A PORTABLE
CD-PLAYER FOR YOUR EFFORTS?
So back it goes, and they compensate me a little.

I'll check the prices of the Kenwood machines - any other brand recommendations?

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Post by dusty_bin » Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:17 pm

Wow, that is very nice of them.
That is how a company gets to build a good reputation even if things go wrong!

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Post by Frypan » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:23 pm

LIDL is selling this two loaf model this week for 50€. Two loaves at the same time? Geez they have some strange stuff sometimes. The 'loaf' in the picture looks more like a bun to me.
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Re: Cheap Breadmakers at Myyrmäki!

Post by chickensexer » Wed May 25, 2011 12:42 pm

Hello Dear All,

I'm going to resurrect this ancient thread. I'm also struggling with my breadmaker. The only setting I've tryid so far was the French bread, which is the main reason I got the machine in the first place. Although I didn't have as sad and scary looking results as the bread-warrior sds, yet after 5 loaves I still didn't get French bread.

The problem with my loafs is that the texture is far not as airy as a French bread should be. It's much more denced and rubbery. It also seems to be more even more densed in the bottom half than in the top half. The loaves are flatter than I expected them to be and are.. well, just too dense!

I've been watchin the process trhough the machine window and here's what I noticed: the dough doesn't rise enough. It does rise, but I just expected it to rise more. And after this insufficient rising it shrinks back. My machine has 3:50 cycle for French bread, of which last 70min are for baking. So, the shrinking starts when it already started baking, most of shrinking happens about 10-20min into the baking stage. And it shrinks in 2 ways: the middle of the loaf starts collapsing, although not instantly. Not the very middle, but rather the area in between the center and the edges of the loaf. The center still retains some bumps. And at the same time the entire loaf slowly shrinks in height. In fact it starts height-shrinking after it starts cratering.

I follow the book recipe precisely. Except for a few things.

1.Amount of Water. The troubleshooting guide says that humidity can affect the dough and if the bread seems too wet then reduce the amount of water. So instead of 3/4 cup (the measuring cup provided with the machine, all the quartes and half marked on the side) last time I took just alittle over 1/2cup.

2. Type of Flour. The book calls fro Strong White Bread Flower. I guess no such thing precisely in Finland so I used Hiiva-Leipa-Vehna-Jauho (whatever). However, the Finnish section of the book that came with the machine has it as Karkea vehnajauho. While according to the markings of my Hiivaleipa... bag it's only Puoli-karkea. Question: Should I look for fully Karkea instead?

3. Yeast. The recipe calls for Fast Action Dry Yeast. I didn't see any Fast action in Finnish supermarkets, so I got just regular Sunnuntai kuivahiiva. The due date is a year ahead. I keep the opened box with yet unopened sachets in the pantry, an opened sahchet - in the fridge (or should it be freezer)? So, I was adding somewhat more yeast than the recipe requires to make up for absence of fast action. So, the recipe states 1tsp (also provided with the machine), I used 1tsp+just a little more. That didn't really help the texture but gave stronger metallic/yeasty smell and taste. Not really an enhancement. Especially since the smell wasn't like "happy yeast, feeding plentifully" but rather like "lots of semi-starved grumpy yeast".

So I went back to the recipe amount of yeast.

4. Tmperature of Water. The book says luke warm, 21-28C. And I did so. But last night it dawned on me that this temperature was for that Fast Action yeast, which mine is not. So I took somewhat warmer water. As I found out after the program had been already started this "somewhat warmer" was around 36C. That's definitely warmer than the book says, and it says "don't use too warm water as it might kill the yeast". BUT: the results were BETTER! What I also caught is that the recipe says to use big loaf programme even for the small loaf recipe, which I did. It still didn't rise enough, still shrank back and cratered somewhat. But the yeast smell was happier and the texture SOMEWHAT improved. Although still it's far from bubbly French. And then it dawned on me again, that the yeast package says 42C. it is much warmer than the book says but I guess that's what neds to be done for these non-Fast Action yeast.

I'm going to try that tonight.

If that won't work, then the only idea I have left is to rerplace hiivaleipa..-flour by some Karkea flour. After that - I'm out of ideas. :(

So, what do you guys think - could the water temperature and/or Karkea instead of (puoli-karkea) Hiiva-leipa..flour solve the texture problem?

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Re: Cheap Breadmakers at Myyrmäki!

Post by Colin4May » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:31 am

Breadmaker-choosing can be tricky. I got my fingers burnt with my first one which was at the cheaper end of the scale.

I then got as a Father's Day gift the SD 2500 WXC which I now use regulartly every fortnight. It's easy to use and gives you consistent results.
Hope you got what one you wanted!


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