VW Jetta TDI (Bora) from Canada
VW Jetta TDI (Bora) from Canada
I have 2001 VW Jetta TDI(Bora) I've looked at similar cars in Finland and the cost is astronomical. What type of modifications need to be made to the car on arrival in Finland. Also I'm assuming that the car will not be taxed when I enter Finland with it. What are the procedures on getting it licensed and insured. Or would I better off selling the car in Canada, buying another in Germany, and coming into Finland with it. If anyone has any other suggestions let me know.
I have my passat from the US and they are the same in Canada and the US. all i had to do was buy the new headlight switch so it will have the front and back fog lights. the lights mountings are set up for the bulbs so all you have to do is pop it light in. Done. All the wireing was already there. it ran me about 150€.
bring the cars over. as i said today on a nother thread i have put 80,000km on my car and have lost 1000$ US in 4 years. It was nice to have all my personel stuff here at the same time. made my place feal like home rigth away.
bring the cars over. as i said today on a nother thread i have put 80,000km on my car and have lost 1000$ US in 4 years. It was nice to have all my personel stuff here at the same time. made my place feal like home rigth away.
Serving my 9th year of a life sentence with no chance of early paroleI leased the vehicle for 4 years and bought the lease out in May. I'm planning on moving in Sept. will this consitute owning the vehicle for 6 months. Or can I just wait and have the vehicle shipped in Oct.
Also a couple of the guys I am working for think I may be able to get a car into Finland from Germany tax free as my contract is only for 10 months. Verbally though we have an agreement that I can stay as long as I want. would this be possible.
Also a couple of the guys I am working for think I may be able to get a car into Finland from Germany tax free as my contract is only for 10 months. Verbally though we have an agreement that I can stay as long as I want. would this be possible.
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Hank W.
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No, as then you're a resident. Finnish residents get screwed with taxes, no vaseline. Read http://www.tulli.fi => importing items etc. etc. etc.
See, in India they have this revered thing on the street called the "holy cow" they milk. In Finland the government has "steel cows" that are also subject to all kinds of rules, and they milk these very much also. Welcome to the tax paradise... that is the paradise of taxes.
BTW "taking the bus" might be even more tempting once you realize that gas costs about 5 bucks a gallon
See, in India they have this revered thing on the street called the "holy cow" they milk. In Finland the government has "steel cows" that are also subject to all kinds of rules, and they milk these very much also. Welcome to the tax paradise... that is the paradise of taxes.
BTW "taking the bus" might be even more tempting once you realize that gas costs about 5 bucks a gallon
Cheers, Hank W.
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Car tax
Referring to what Hank wrote, I fully agree and then some.
As a lawyer I really feel that the current Finnish vehicle taxation system has various features that are not in compliance with the demands of fair administration policies or the EU principles.
Just a few examples related to importing a used car:
- You must pay car tax when acquiring Finnish registering (which is compulsory)
- Car tax is calculated as follows: value of a similar car already in Finland x tax percentage for the first registering month of a similar make and model. Sounds easy, bit here it starts:
1) value of the car is taken from one single commercial data provider that collects the data from the REQUEST PRICE of USED CAR SALES COMPANIES, so no actual trade price is used, neither the price which the same companies use when they buy cars, nor prices between individuals.
The request price always includes margins, profits, company costs such as heating, wages, rent, marketing etc.
2) percentage is calculated on a monthly basis, i.e. the rate for March '95 can be different from the rate of April '95. If no rate has been published by Customs (Tulli), the rate is 29 %. Tulli has sole rights to publish the rates, but it only receives the data from original importers, who have no sanctioned obligations to forward the data. So it is a dead end, not many importers have given their rates.
3) On the car tax you'll have to pay fake-VAT 22 %, so you'll be taxed on the tax. Congratulations.
4) If and when you end up paying too much car tax, you'll have to demand a refund from Tulli and eventually from the Admistrative Court. Don't hold your breath with the refund, as you'll be number 50.001 whilst number one is currently waiting to open the case.
5) For the refund amount you'll get an interest, which is fair enough as the funds you can expect to receive have been taken by the State as a result of a clearly false decision of an administrative body. One might think that the interest rate is similar to the rate that you have to pay yourself if you miss a payment deadline, e.g. 9 %. Nope, the rate is 0,5 % p.a. This means that it is the cheapest money State can ever receive so it is lucrative for the state to make as false decisions as possible and hold the cases as long as possible, and at the same time place the money somewhere for better interest. As a result, citizens fund the State.
After this - and these things are true, not BS - you need to be really super-cautious not to be car-taxed.
Finland is currently in the teeth of the European Commission and EU court for non-compliance of the free movement of items (in Finnish tavaroiden vapaan liikkuvuuden periaate), one of the elementary principles behind the whole EU.
Hank, were you aware of this, or do you anything to add?
To the original writer, it may be worthwhile to contact http://www.primuslakipalvelu.fi even though it may cost you a few hundred euros. And no, I am at no way connected to the lawyers there.
As a lawyer I really feel that the current Finnish vehicle taxation system has various features that are not in compliance with the demands of fair administration policies or the EU principles.
Just a few examples related to importing a used car:
- You must pay car tax when acquiring Finnish registering (which is compulsory)
- Car tax is calculated as follows: value of a similar car already in Finland x tax percentage for the first registering month of a similar make and model. Sounds easy, bit here it starts:
1) value of the car is taken from one single commercial data provider that collects the data from the REQUEST PRICE of USED CAR SALES COMPANIES, so no actual trade price is used, neither the price which the same companies use when they buy cars, nor prices between individuals.
The request price always includes margins, profits, company costs such as heating, wages, rent, marketing etc.
2) percentage is calculated on a monthly basis, i.e. the rate for March '95 can be different from the rate of April '95. If no rate has been published by Customs (Tulli), the rate is 29 %. Tulli has sole rights to publish the rates, but it only receives the data from original importers, who have no sanctioned obligations to forward the data. So it is a dead end, not many importers have given their rates.
3) On the car tax you'll have to pay fake-VAT 22 %, so you'll be taxed on the tax. Congratulations.
4) If and when you end up paying too much car tax, you'll have to demand a refund from Tulli and eventually from the Admistrative Court. Don't hold your breath with the refund, as you'll be number 50.001 whilst number one is currently waiting to open the case.
5) For the refund amount you'll get an interest, which is fair enough as the funds you can expect to receive have been taken by the State as a result of a clearly false decision of an administrative body. One might think that the interest rate is similar to the rate that you have to pay yourself if you miss a payment deadline, e.g. 9 %. Nope, the rate is 0,5 % p.a. This means that it is the cheapest money State can ever receive so it is lucrative for the state to make as false decisions as possible and hold the cases as long as possible, and at the same time place the money somewhere for better interest. As a result, citizens fund the State.
After this - and these things are true, not BS - you need to be really super-cautious not to be car-taxed.
Finland is currently in the teeth of the European Commission and EU court for non-compliance of the free movement of items (in Finnish tavaroiden vapaan liikkuvuuden periaate), one of the elementary principles behind the whole EU.
Hank, were you aware of this, or do you anything to add?
To the original writer, it may be worthwhile to contact http://www.primuslakipalvelu.fi even though it may cost you a few hundred euros. And no, I am at no way connected to the lawyers there.
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Hank W.
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Re: Car tax
Feh, I have an "uitettu" car my sister brought in in the 120% days but didn't fill the 2 years probation - It was garaged for 10 years - my sis wanted to get rid of it so I paid 10.000 FIM tax on it (similar car on the street was 5000-9000 with 100k km more).ullanlinna wrote: Hank, were you aware of this, or do you anything to add?
Now I have a motorbike brought in with the new rules and assessed by the "Stetson method" i.e. price pulled from the hat.
The only thing I have to add is this:
http://www.nullwave.net/autovero.jpg
"temporary, everything is..."
Cheers, Hank W.
sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin.
sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin.