please help on Uvi 101,102!

[jukkak]

all thoughs are preciated... im from Finland and my Wife is from non-EU country. Ive been away couple years with no income cheap to live in my wifes country(Thailand) but now i want to settle back home, i read thru the Uvi 101 and 102 and saw many interesting questions there they want to know. I need to show like last 2 years salary income(which i have none) but does it really matter as i have steady job when i come?
and i have some debts in this so called "ulosotto" will they check that when my wife applies for the visa? does it matter in there?

Jukka

[mookoo]

Terve Jukka,

I know UVI 101 and 102 can be a bear, I already had to go through them once and thats enough. Anyway, I am guessing that you are a Finnish citizen still. If so, you don't need any sort of permit to move back. But your wife still does. Based on the text "Both the applicant and his/her family member residing in Finland must fill in and sign their own additional information form." located on form 102; I believe in order to bring your wife over you will need to be residing in Finland at the time when she applies in Thailand. I am not totally sure about that, so hopefully someone will correct me if I am wrong. I know that some people can now move to Finland before applying for permits, but that only applies to certain countries and I don't know if Thailand is included. If it is, then you can probably move together as long as you are confident that the permit will be accepted within 3 months. The embassy in Thailand (there are 3 actually) might know more information about application procedures.

That still leaves your question about the tax statements unanswered I know. Its a tough thing because the authorities like to make sure that you can provide for yourself and for your partner. Contacting the UVI directly is futile, even if you speak Finnish. If you find out that your wife can move to Finland before applying, I think its best to work through the police rather than the UVI directly. Its cheaper anyway. But if so, try calling the local police station of whatever city you are intending to stay in. Explain your situation and see if they will still allow you to bring your wife without tax records for the past two years. They may allow you to bring older tax records along with a statement from the company you are planning to work for. In Seinäjoki they seemed kinda flexible on some of the paperwork for me to move here, so maybe if you sweet talk them a little they will let you get by with a substitution. It would be just plain mean to make your wife live in Thailand for 2 years while you gather some work experience in Finland. If she has to apply while in Thailand see if the embassy can provide some answers. And if they don't know, see if they can deal with the UVI rather than you having to do it yourself.

And as for this "ulosotto" thing ... I have no idea what that even is. If you think it might hurt your wifes chances of getting a permit, its best to ask the authorities about it before you apply and/or move here. Again, see if the local police station can give you some answers.

I hope I was able to help in at least some way ... or at least to get the ball rolling. Best Wishes.

[jukkak]

thanks for the advice really preciate it.even ive been here for a while i have my papers in Finland at my sisters house.i can probably make my sister and my mother back me up in papers if they need a name to sign on for i mean financial backing up.man this is making me nervous why its so hard to do these things while if you are a refugee it looks so easy.

Jukka

[jukkak]

http://formin.finland.fi/doc/fin/palvel ... umihak.pdf

i found this i think its this one non-EU countries.

that paper is easy to fill only it says on the side for consular what they need (valid passport,Financial means?,Invitation,Means of transportation,health insurance,other, those are all the options.)
financial means i hope it could be fixed with that we just put enough money on her account and show that it will be more than enough to support her only besides im working everyday. i read somewhere that Visa

http://formin.finland.fi/doc/eng/servic ... /main.html

http://formin.finland.fi/doc/eng/servic ... hengen.pdf - here is the list of countries that need a visa.

and its like 40e/day need to have money or financial for.

Jukka

[Hank W.]

http://www.uvi.fi => perhe

Perheenjäsen voi kuitenkin tulla Suomeen ilman etukäteen hankittua oleskelulupaa ja hakea sitä vasta Suomessa, jos perheenjäsenten tarkoituksena on jatkaa jo aikaisemmin ulkomailla vietettyä perhe-elämää.
Lupa myönnetään Suomessa, jos hakija

* olisi voinut saada luvan myös ulkomailla sitä hakiessaan ja
* hän on jo ennen Suomeen saapumistaan asunut ulkomailla vähintään kaksi vuotta yhdessä nyt Suomessa asuvan avio- tai avopuolisonsa kanssa.

Hakija voi oleskella Suomessa koko hakemuksen käsittelyajan, vaikka hänen viisuminsa voimassaolo tänä aikana päättyisikin.

[jukkak]

http://www.uvi.fi => perhe

Perheenjäsen voi kuitenkin tulla Suomeen ilman etukäteen hankittua oleskelulupaa ja hakea sitä vasta Suomessa, jos perheenjäsenten tarkoituksena on jatkaa jo aikaisemmin ulkomailla vietettyä perhe-elämää.
Lupa myönnetään Suomessa, jos hakija

* olisi voinut saada luvan myös ulkomailla sitä hakiessaan ja
* hän on jo ennen Suomeen saapumistaan asunut ulkomailla vähintään kaksi vuotta yhdessä nyt Suomessa asuvan avio- tai avopuolisonsa kanssa.

Hakija voi oleskella Suomessa koko hakemuksen käsittelyajan, vaikka hänen viisuminsa voimassaolo tänä aikana päättyisikin.

i think i could prove that we have been together long time thru our house records but i never registered out from Finland is that punisable act? i still have my name and address registered in Finland even i have been here almost 2 years now.

Jukka

[Hank W.]

Well, as you have been in Finland then logically you can have not been living in Thailand? And if you haven't registered being married at the Finnish embassy in Thailand - you get a draft of records (virkatodistus) that says single so you are not married.

Now if you insist that you have been in Thailand and convince them of that; but you have been lifting unemployment or anything like that then the KELA will come and pound you with megamiljoona all the money back and a few months in jail for fraud... See now in Finland we have this thing called reilu meininki....

BTW there is a fine for not saying you move when you move, but I've not heard anyone actually being fined lately.

[jukkak]

Well, as you have been in Finland then logically you can have not been living in Thailand? And if you haven't registered being married at the Finnish embassy in Thailand - you get a draft of records (virkatodistus) that says single so you are not married.

Now if you insist that you have been in Thailand and convince them of that; but you have been lifting unemployment or anything like that then the KELA will come and pound you with megamiljoona all the money back and a few months in jail for fraud... See now in Finland we have this thing called reilu meininki....

BTW there is a fine for not saying you move when you move, but I've not heard anyone actually being fined lately.

no we are registered in Finland its valid.and i havent picked up any money from Finland used every last penny of my savings and did some small jobs gigs fixed some cars and such but not really working so i cannot say that in anywhere as i havent paid taxes from that.

Jukka

[jukkak]

"Oletko itse Suomen kansalainen? Jos olet niin silloin puolisosi toimeentulon ei tule olla turvattu. Jos taas et itse ole Suomen kansalinen niin silloin olisi yhteisten palkkatulojen eli perheen tulojen oltava noin 18 000 euroa vuodessa nettona."

i got this from
Maahanmuuttolinja / Immigration Division
Ulkomaalaisvirasto / Directorate of Immigration
Panimokatu 2 A
PL 18, 00581 Helsinki

they emailed me back it says if i am Finnish Citizen then my wifes income no need to be safe. if im not Finnish Citizen then need to have boths income total calculated 18 000e Net.why they cannot say these things on the website straight no need to try to find out from many sources . i called when i was in Finland last time to UVI and really it didnt get me too guaranteed answers they just told me to pick up visa (tourist) and come in and then change the visa to permanent, i asked for more clear obvious this girl did not know .

Jukka

[Hank W.]

no we are registered in Finland its valid.and i havent picked up any money from Finland used every last penny of my savings and did some small jobs gigs fixed some cars and such but not really working so i cannot say that in anywhere as i havent paid taxes from that.

OK, so you are more or less "safe" - you really don't wish to get harrassed by KELA on some not-supposed-to-get benefits. Thats horrid.. OK, maybe beink marked as "temporary address thailand" at the magistrate would have made the books look very nice - But as long as you can show that you have lived together for 2 years I think its just the easy way - she flies here; you submit the application together; she can stay pending the processing (but cannot work or anything and this can take a while).

Visa is for coming into the country and residence is for staying in the country.

And yes, they ought to have the information more simply laid out.

[jukkak]

no we are registered in Finland its valid.and i havent picked up any money from Finland used every last penny of my savings and did some small jobs gigs fixed some cars and such but not really working so i cannot say that in anywhere as i havent paid taxes from that.

OK, so you are more or less "safe" - you really don't wish to get harrassed by KELA on some not-supposed-to-get benefits. Thats horrid.. OK, maybe beink marked as "temporary address thailand" at the magistrate would have made the books look very nice - But as long as you can show that you have lived together for 2 years I think its just the easy way - she flies here; you submit the application together; she can stay pending the processing (but cannot work or anything and this can take a while).

Visa is for coming into the country and residence is for staying in the country.

And yes, they ought to have the information more simply laid out.

thanks for all the info really preciate it, i remember reading from few years back that some Finnish dude went working in Norway and still picked up money from Kela in Finland but they caught him in Customs one time when he was coming back home. So i dont want anything to do with Kela and such as they can make your life miserable.

Jukka