Discrimination in Hiring

[Upphew]

first may I remind you this is a religious country

With priests blessing homosexual marriages... I'd say the people are shaping the "religion", so if the religion said thou shalt not kill, then just make an exception to euthanasia. No problems

and second you might not be able to do it yourself anymore.

If I'm not able to wipe my ass, but I'm able to push a button, then I might consider japanese toilet or morphine pump, not some Finn or foreigner to haphazardly clean my cheeks. Which reminds me, that maybe I should do this now... is there a handy card for that, like organ donor card?

[onkko]

but the ones that are here should be treated well and put to work.

Goverment cant "put to work" even finns, there just isnt work.

[Rip]

Thanks for the update.

[tony webb]

I am a single native UK citizen living and until recently working in Finland. I have recently been involved with an issue with KELA in as much that they will not issue me with a KELA card because I am single and have no right to live in Finland. To cut a long story short last March the E.U. Commission judged that Finland do actively discriminate between E.U. and Finnish nationals. It has also become an issue that has been put forward for discussion in the E.U.Parliament.

Other examples of discrimination included having to be able to speak near Fluent Finnish at a job interview for a company that uses English as it's business language. The E.U. Commission also said that this practice is illegal. The employment office that advertised the vacancy and the company don't care. I also applied for leaflet distribution work and was shown the door as soon as I spoke because I spoke in English. The E.U law is that if Finnish isn't really needed for the job then it's active discrimination to require Finnish to be spoken. They said that if the main business language is English or any language other than Finnish, leaflet distribution or delivering letters should not have a compulsory requirement for speaking and understanding Finnish. In these examples most home owners don't speak to the post person or leaflet distributor. I haven't pursued the employment examples with the E.U. Commission.

I have been studying Finnish on a part time basis for a few months and start a full time course next week.

[cors187]

With this statement OFM sent my case to Police and I received a letter from Pirkanmaa police asking my demands, either compensation from the company or punishment to them. I replied with compensation. They also asked my consent that public prosecuter could hear my case on behalf of me, which I said YES.

You should be looking for punishment as you put it.
Asking for compensation makes you look like a genuine immigrant.

[cors187]

I am a single native UK citizen

I have on occasion discriminated against UK workers. It was in Australia though and i told the owner of the company to put me with the Indian workers rather than POMS
But hey i have seen the english and the Americans being discriminated against here in FIN.
The aussies and the NZ peeps dont get it as much.

[Upphew]

leaflet distribution or delivering letters should not have a compulsory requirement for speaking and understanding Finnish. In these examples most home owners don't speak to the post person or leaflet distributor. I haven't pursued the employment examples with the E.U. Commission.

Imnsho employer and employee should have a common language. You can't demand that the one hiring learns a language just so he doesn't discriminate.

[onkko]

Other examples of discrimination included having to be able to speak near Fluent Finnish at a job interview for a company that uses English as it's business language. The E.U. Commission also said that this practice is illegal.

That shows EU is far from reality and to be honest its idiot.
I have worked in companies where business language, read language between countries, is english but still most important was that you could speak finnish, english was plus.
There were few who communicated between countries and they had to speak fluent english AND finnish, rest spoke finnish.
I smell arrogant colonialist who cant understand that english isnt our language.

[tony webb]

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Imnsho employer and employee should have a common language. You can't demand that the one hiring learns a language just so he doesn't discriminate.[/quote]

Yes I agree but delivering leaflets etc can explained through demonstration. I was a paper boy once and delivered many leaflets in the UK the differences can't be that great that I can't be shown what to do; fold the leaflet with the most important information on the outside, pop it into the post box and walk to the next one.
You could be shown this in an office and it probably is shown to Finnish employees.

If it was actual customer service than I wouldn't apply for those type of jobs because I don#t have good enough Finnish skills.

[tony webb]

I smell arrogant colonialist who cant understand that english isnt our language.

You need to see a doctor there's something wrong with your nose.

There are jobs where you don't need to speak Finnish or English like road sweeping, cleaning, assembly line work etc. They are practical jobs and people are trained to do them through demonstration and example.

In One cleaning company that I applied for work told me that my supervisor is from Scotland but I still had to be able to speak fluent Finnish.

I am doing my best to integrate and have more Finnish friends than Native English speaking friends. I haven't come here just for handouts. I start a full time Finnish course this week. I am doing something about the issues that I have experienced.

I understand that there are people who just want benefits because they can have them. I've met some. I want to work!

I also do some voluntary work with my local social services.

[Rip]

There are jobs where you don't need to speak Finnish or English like road sweeping, cleaning, assembly line work etc. They are practical jobs and people are trained to do them through demonstration and example.

In One cleaning company that I applied for work told me that my supervisor is from Scotland but I still had to be able to speak fluent Finnish.

I work in office, with more than just regular office space. Sometimes there's been need to put a notice on one of the doors that the room behind it or some part of must NOT be cleaned. Being Finland the notice would be in Finnish. (Not the only case where there would be need to get a message across to the person doing the work without going through supervisor channels.)

[cors187]

I smell arrogant colonialist who cant understand that English isn't our language.

its true though they the "english speakers" did do a lot of colonizing or taking over as we like to call it for what it was.
and yeah i think English speakers can appear arrogant just due to the fact we know that on average you cant do as much in the world if you don't speak English.
That would lead me to the point i am making that, the average FIN who is doing the hiring could perceive the "English speaker" as a bit arrogant considering they are applying for a job in a non English speaking society.
I call it a society because doesnt the east coast of FIn speak swedish as the common language.

[Pursuivant]

I call it a society because doesnt the east coast of FIn speak swedish as the common language.

In the cucumber farms maybe...

[DMC]

I call it a society because doesnt the east coast of FIn speak swedish as the common language.

East coast? Where is that?

[007]

I call it a society because doesnt the east coast of FIn speak swedish as the common language.

East coast? Where is that?

Obviously it's West coast but again I fail to see how swedish is the common language there. To be a common language, both parties must be able to communicate in the same language and I don't think majority of Finnish speaking Finns speak swedish there to communicate with Swedish speaking Finns. It is the other way around, I guess.