Discrimination in Hiring

[Pursuivant]

Short version: They say "naughty" and you pay the bills.

Long version: I didn't find much in the finlex database as far as any precedents go, though there must be some. If the PP isn't going forth with the case, then you have to make a civil case thats a bit harder to put through without a lawyer. So you need to check if the city or or of those human interest lawyers will take your case. As for the outcome, even if they were fined, you wouldn't be getting much if anything - maybe not even your own lawyer fees. This isn't America.

You could try getting in touch with this character "justicedemon" that appears in that whiney blog "Migrant Tales", I think hes a legal eagle.

[rinso]

If you proceed, it will become a case of "he said, she said".
They said "born", but the meant "skills". Not correct, but they can demand that. And it is not illogical that the demand was not explicitly mentioned beforehand.
If they can show that they hired someone with better Finnish skills than you (and also qualified in the other demands), you probably wouldn't have got the job anyway. In that case their statement is not nice, but I don't think it will count as discrimination. They will be let of with a warning and have to pay the court costs. Both parties will have to pay for their own lawyers.
The fact that the prosecutor doesn't want to continue means that he thinks there is no case.

[Rick1]

Should just send it to Alexander Stubb and Jorma Ollila with the request if they could take that also in their Finland Promotion Been there and see it still happening especially if the heat is rising. Stupid people think that they can do without (good) foreigners to keep this country running well.

[onkko]

Stupid people think that they can do without (good) foreigners to keep this country running well.

And stupid foreigners think that they are good ones withouth skill what natives have, fluent finnish and understanding of culture, and withouth giving anything extra in table to overweight that deficiency. And no fluency in foreing language is not that in most places.

[Rick1]

It is not black and White Onkko. If it is I hope that you can still wipe your own bottom when you are 90 otherwise you have to let it be done by a foreigner because Finnish people do not want or are not there anymore. But when you need them it is all ok ofcourse

[rinso]

If you go through the law books then in some positions employer cannot even advertise asking for written finnish skills

As I understand they didn't advertise it, but it was a reply from the recruiter to you. The wording was not correct, but it is still perfectly legal to judge people by their skills. In court they can get away with it as a mistake from a confused employee. "Be careful, don't do it again."

[Rick1]

Yes, you see them here asking for people with age up to 25. Illegal according to our wunderfull EU but nobody is doing anything here. In other countries they do it like this: Our great young time is looking for a colleague. If you over 30 you better look for another job. You have those youngsters of 24 telling: well I have not been a day out of work. Well lets speak again after 20 years

[onkko]

It is not black and White Onkko. If it is I hope that you can still wipe your own bottom when you are 90 otherwise you have to let it be done by a foreigner because Finnish people do not want or are not there anymore. But when you need them it is all ok ofcourse

So you are talking "need of workers" what we have had atleast last 30 years and now are middle of direst need?
Talk again when average immigrant group has better dependency ratio than finns.

[Rick1]

It will change Onkko. Pensionbomb is ticking.

[onkko]

It will change Onkko. Pensionbomb is ticking.

It has been ticking decades and according to predictions its now exploded.

[Rick1]

In some places it has yes:

http://www.mol.fi/paikat/BrowseList.do? ... resultList

[onkko]

In some places it has yes:

http://www.mol.fi/paikat/BrowseList.do? ... resultList

Avoimet työpaikat suuralueittain
Uusimaa
2009
I vuosineljännes 21 900
II vuosineljännes 12 400
III vuosineljännes 13 000
IV vuosineljännes 8 300
2010
I vuosineljännes 17 100
II vuosineljännes 13 000
III vuosineljännes 10 300
IV vuosineljännes 12 200
2011
I vuosineljännes 20 600
II vuosineljännes 16 300
III vuosineljännes 13 600
IV vuosineljännes .

Avoimet työpaikat suuralueittain
Uusimaa
Vuosikeskiarvo
2003 12 600
2004 11 100
2005 13 600
2006 16 600
2007 19 200
2008 19 500
2009 13 900
2010 13 200

So where?

[Rip]

If it is I hope that you can still wipe your own bottom when you are 90 otherwise you have to let it be done by a foreigner because Finnish people do not want or are not there anymore.

It is not question if there is somebody to do it, but if other people can pay them sufficient salary (collect enough taxes). Some parts of the immigration help with that, while some other rather large ones make it ever more harder to achieve.

As for the OP, wasn't there anything useful in the OFM replies? They have phone number; I would think they should at least be able to list similar court cases in the past.


(And finally, personally, I'd wish I had somebody to help me finish myself off, if the day comes I wouldn't (on permanent basis) be able to it myself any more. Would also save the tax monies for something that actually benefits somebody)

[Rick1]

And that takes decisionmakers with a spine but that is a contradiction I do not support wide influx of foreigners but the ones that are here should be treated well and put to work. There lies a problem as we all know. And if we continue with putting on every 'problem' more taxes nobody can live here anymore on a decent salary.

And finishing you off, first may I remind you this is a religious country and second you might not be able to do it yourself anymore.

[rinso]

but the ones that are here should be treated well and put to work

And what about the hopefuls that come next year, and the year after that, and.....
The more you support a certain group, the more members it'll get.
Indeed they should be treated well, but they should not get any preference treatment.