Moving to UK from Finland with Family

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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by Adrian42 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:34 pm

tausif.baber wrote:I can do something like visit Finland twice in a year to keep my RP.
That won't help.

For keeping your RP you have to continue to reside (AKA pay taxes) in Finland.
tausif.baber wrote:keeping my mouth zipped sounds reasonable at this moment, once I have enough money I can pay them back with interest, but all I need is support at the moment.
Think twice before committing such a fraud - you might end up with a criminal conviction that could cost you both re-entering the Schengen area for years and your permission to reside in the UK.



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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by Pursuivant » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:40 pm

Well, its actually residents, but as neither of the OP is a työtön työnhakija - it is irrelevant.
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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by tausif.baber » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:54 am

Adrian42 wrote: That won't help.

For keeping your RP you have to continue to reside (AKA pay taxes) in Finland.

Think twice before committing such a fraud - you might end up with a criminal conviction that could cost you both re-entering the Schengen area for years and your permission to reside in the UK.
I'm in family residence permit, so, if I don't work, I'd instead bag your tax moneys :lol: :lol: :lol: so, irrelevant of what you are saying. They may revoke my RP but i'll get another one as easily as eating butter with cheese :D But the thing is I want to keep what I have so, I don't have to apply for visa/RP whenever I need to land here.

BTW what is criminal conviction ? what crime you do see here ? I see it as tax return, if you pay more tax in a year, the end of next year you'll receive the extra that you paid, hence, if I take more, at the end of next year I will pay back with interest. If I cannot pay they'll list me as bankrupt, :lol: So, to be bankrupt is perfectly legal in this ideal world. I don't see any case of fraud here. Now the point is since I am working, I can get bank loans, so, if I don't pay the loan back then also no one can do anything lol, you see bankruptcy ? recession here it comes !!!
Pursuivant wrote:Well, I hunted back in 2010 Aug-Dec for a job and landed finally one (but I was looking all over, the Irish economy collapse buggered things up pretty well). So what have your relatives been telling you? Pavements made of gold? Or is it 18-hour days alternating at a car wash and kebab delivery at the cousin's firm? Your missus actually could probably land a job in a few weeks in her niche - a crap job in telemarketing/support callcentre even in London but more jobs "up north". But that'd be 20-25 K a year so nothing to diss first off. You could be the modern daddy and stay home - one person working you get the NI numbers and "into the system" Now you got the problem theres the "1000 unemployed Nokia Engineers" x 10 looking for work as well in your niche.

I'll give you an estimate when and if I score a new job/contract. Its been... umm... 4 weeks now. If you get a really cranky helpdesk answering one day, you know where I ended up
Relatives' says: IT field has jobs others are nasty. I have relative experiences, in my country and in Finland too, so, not thinking about unskilled jobs. As the few interviews I had, I am getting confident, I might land one once I am there. Still your words about "Promiseware" tinkering in my head. Anyways, it might worth giving a try.

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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by Upphew » Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:10 am

tausif.baber wrote:If I cannot pay they'll list me as bankrupt, :lol: So, to be bankrupt is perfectly legal in this ideal world. I don't see any case of fraud here. Now the point is since I am working, I can get bank loans, so, if I don't pay the loan back then also no one can do anything lol, you see bankruptcy ? recession here it comes !!!
Personal bankruptcy... good luck with that in Finland. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43145
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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by Adrian42 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:18 pm

tausif.baber wrote:
Adrian42 wrote: That won't help.

For keeping your RP you have to continue to reside (AKA pay taxes) in Finland.

Think twice before committing such a fraud - you might end up with a criminal conviction that could cost you both re-entering the Schengen area for years and your permission to reside in the UK.
I'm in family residence permit, so, if I don't work, I'd instead bag your tax moneys :lol: :lol: :lol: so, irrelevant of what you are saying. They may revoke my RP but i'll get another one as easily as eating butter with cheese :D
You ever thought of why the RP application asks you to list all of your past criminal convictions?

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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by 007 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:20 pm

In order to get Kela benefits, you have to be registered as a resident of Finland and need to make visits to työkkäri every and then. Staying out of Finland without being registered as a resident won't get you any benefits. There are people (cheaters :evil: ) who go on vacations on kela benefits and come back when it's työkkäri time, but they are all the time registered as residents at some addresses in Finland.

Kela is doing something on this issue, I think.
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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by tausif.baber » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:50 pm

Adrian42 wrote:You ever thought of why the RP application asks you to list all of your past criminal convictions?
I wonder how much of it is verified. A rapist wouldn't write in form that I raped a girl about five years ago and been to jail for 2 months. :roll: So, you get the point ? If you look at the criminal case every traffic offence is categorized as crime, so, don't give me that bull-!"#¤% logic.
Upphew wrote:Personal bankruptcy... good luck with that in Finland. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43145
yeah, I wonder where the bills collector would chase me :D, even the EU laws about it are not clear.
007 wrote:In order to get Kela benefits, you have to be registered as a resident of Finland and need to make visits to työkkäri every and then. Staying out of Finland without being registered as a resident won't get you any benefits. There are people (cheaters ) who go on vacations on kela benefits and come back when it's työkkäri time, but they are all the time registered as residents at some addresses in Finland.

Kela is doing something on this issue, I think.
Good luck to kela for that, I am not talking about unemployment benefit here, I am employed and I am a good taxpayer. I said I just receive housing allowance and money to my kid from kela. So, my plan is to keep that money until I find new job in UK. Since Kela doesn't pay housing allowance to me if they come to know I am not in Finland, so, to receive money for few months I have to keep my mouth zipped and not inform them that I am out. If they happen to learn about this, then they'll send me the bill to payback, which I would happily do when I am earning. So, the moral of the story is, enjoy the moment when you have !!!

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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by cors187 » Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:11 pm

tausif.baber wrote: So, the moral of the story is, enjoy the moment when you have !!!
Oww the memories of having nothing to loose, its a cherish-able experience for sure.

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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by Adrian42 » Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:38 am

Pursuivant wrote:Well, its actually residents, but as neither of the OP is a työtön työnhakija - it is irrelevant.
This is actually much more complicated, since the typical non-EU-citizen resident does not have the right to work in another EU country - implying he cannot receive unemployment benefits for searching work there.

But we both already agreed that this is anyway irrelevant here.

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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by hackoff » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:12 am

Any updates? Made it to the UK?

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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by Tullynessle Turnip » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:17 pm

England is full up! Don't need any more immigrants. Thank you.

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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by onkko » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:29 pm

tausif.baber wrote:
Adrian42 wrote:You ever thought of why the RP application asks you to list all of your past criminal convictions?
I wonder how much of it is verified. A rapist wouldn't write in form that I raped a girl about five years ago and been to jail for 2 months. :roll: So, you get the point ? If you look at the criminal case every traffic offence is categorized as crime, so, don't give me that !"#¤% logic.
You @#$% up, they check. You lied so your permission is void.
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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by Honest » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:31 pm

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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by onkko » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:37 pm

Honest wrote:May be he was planing to move to Scotland or Wales not England.
And whats difference? Europol is still there and there are official and unofficial agreements.
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Re: Moving to UK from Finland with Family

Post by Honest » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:38 pm

Tullynessle Turnip wrote:England is full up! Don't need any more immigrants. Thank you.
It's like saying don't come to the USA , Washington is already full. May be he was planing to move to Scotland or Wales not England.


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