Political change?

[007]

Seems like election fever is catching up.......

[mrjimsfc]

It was never my intention to cause bickering and name calling on this board. What I was trying to point out is that there are immigrants and there are invaders. The differences are obvious! For those who are or would be immigrants there is a growing need to get rid of the problems the invaders bring with them before those problems begin to affect the immigrants. This could have been done in France. It could have and should have been done in Sweden. It should be done in America but it's not happening! Why?

[Upphew]

The differences are obvious! For those who are or would be immigrants there is a growing need to get rid of the problems the invaders bring with them before those problems begin to affect the immigrants.

The difference was obvious before flowerhatted aunties stirred the soup so it was all muddy. Also the Finnish social security system doesn't help things.

[Pursuivant]

This reminds me of Putin supporters who live in Finland or the United States and refuse to go back to live in Russia. Zero sense being made.

You must be talking of yourselves. One of the reasons I left Finland was the politics and the last thing I would wish to find myself here is sitting in some immigrant ghetto advocating those very same politics that made me leave in the first place.

[Honest]

You must be talking of yourselves. One of the reasons I left Finland was the politics and the last thing I would wish to find myself here is sitting in some immigrant ghetto advocating those very same politics that made me leave in the first place.

UK is a lot more multicultural country and with a lot more political support for multiculturalism, so how did you find that place so much favourable that you decided to leave your country behind and become an immigrant?

[Pursuivant]

This could have been done in France. It could have and should have been done in Sweden. It should be done in America but it's not happening! Why?

Oh choose from your favorite conspiracy theories... Bilderberg, Freemasons, Lizard People...

Sweden then again... collective insanity???

Comedy gold with Cecilia Wikström around 2.15.40
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/n ... -2015-1500

[mrjimsfc]

The difference was obvious before flowerhatted aunties stirred the soup so it was all muddy. Also the Finnish social security system doesn't help things.

That's true for the Finnish people but to the immigrants, the differences are still crystal clear. "To be, or not to be, that is the question."

[Pursuivant]

UK is a lot more multicultural country and with a lot more political support for multiculturalism, so how did you find that place so much favourable that you decided to leave your country behind and become an immigrant?

Oh it was primarily over having work, low taxes, a strong GBP as compared to eternal YT, high taxes, Euro crisis and a general recession. A strong sentiment against EU federalism was a plus. And no commies, greens or RKP in government... almost paradise you'd imagine

As far as multiculturalism goes I think there will be changes, especially as the Labour's insane immigration policy had been curtailed and recently the authorities have been called up responsible for their politically correct coverups like in Rotherham, which kind of investigative journalism and being held responsible for corrupt practices will never happen in Finland.

The free press is one bonus side in UK. Which comes back to our original post. Another case of how multiculturalism is celebrated in Finland http://m.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2015020319139571_uu.shtml

[foca]

I think the term multiculturalism should by analysed first, before all of you start throwing it at each other. Most of European peoples are united by common history and culture , they became distinct "nations" not so many years ago. ng.
If one starts looking at any nation in Europe , trying to find distinct traits in language and culture , one might decide that Germans consists of a dozen peoples ( Schwabians, Saxons , Frisians etc....) ; French are Normans, Provencisls , Burgundians etc. , not even counting political nations like Belgians (who the hell are Belgians?) ....
Finnish culture , if not very original (imported and forcibly installed by swedes, if one may like to say ) , is still west European , thus stating that a Finn living in Uk adds to "multiculturalism" (in political aspect of that term) is essentially wrong.
As for you , Persuivant , I think it is about time that you step over the red line and deeply engage yourself in Morris dancing, with the next stage being tree hugging .....

[Pursuivant]

Well if you look at west & east Finland theres also a distinct genetic divide even if you don't believe in the "Tribes of the Finnish Nation"

[raskarhu]

"who the hell are Belgians?"

Good question. You could say the same about Italians, Spanish, Finnish, the UK for that matter... what's your point, haven't all nations grown out of a political descision or desire?

[foca]

"who the hell are Belgians?"

Good question. You could say the same about Italians, Spanish, Finnish, the UK for that matter... what's your point, haven't all nations grown out of a political descision or desire?

Do not take me that seriously about Belgians . But unlike most other west European nations they are the most contradictory one , created more on the confessional grounds than linguistic or cultural. As soon as historic and confessional uniting background faded away , the "nation" lost its livelihood. Spanish , Italians and Finnish (as national concepts) are very much different from Belgians . Besides that, political decisions (or will) never make long lasting nations. It is the common history, language and fate that forge people into nations.

[foca]

I am gonna pay one full pound to the person who points out Persuivant in there

Https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjLATAUwao

[Marsh04]

The UK and Finland are socially and culturally as much similar as Finland and Russia.

[Beep_Boop]

thus stating that a Finn living in Uk adds to "multiculturalism" (in political aspect of that term) is essentially wrong.

Are you kidding me?! I've good experience with both countries, and I can tell you, with 100% confidence, that Finland and the UK are extremely different countries with extremely different cultures.
Wow, where should I start? The food, drinking habits, folklore, history (recent, modern, pre-modern, all the way a 1000 years ago), the public's psyche towards every single social issue, world influence, intentionality, Jesus.. the language (6 f*cking branches up the classification tree), social manners, approach to politeness, and I could go on and on for an hour! And that's only England! Let's not talk about the rest of the UK which is so so different from England itself.
So, no, no no no no, absolutely not. You cannot through a deeply misinformed statement like that (borderline disinforming) and expect everybody to just pass by it like nothing has happened.

A Finn in the UK is indeed bringing a great deal of cultural difference, and a Brit in Finland is bringing a very new cultural perspective.

P.S. I have no clue why people confuse integration with loss of identity and believe that you can either have your national identity or be integrated, but not both. You can maintain your identity while conforming to pretty much every social aspect in your host country. Then again, some people believe in angels.. so, yeah.