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Re: moving to Finland ..living with Finn etc etc

Post by onkko » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:07 pm

Nordic people have things sorted out quite well tho, i remember my first trip to norway and i noticed that were in different country when signs started to look different and were in norwegian :)
In my way back i really looked where border is and yes there was small building in border, no one in tho.
We have magic numbers and such tho so no one can just slip other side of border to leech. Being same country for hundreds of years may have affected on that :) And we have relatively low difference on income.


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Re: moving to Finland ..living with Finn etc etc

Post by Pursuivant » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:22 pm

6.5 weeks here so far, and so far... maistraatti will not let me register my residence because I don't have a permit from the police yet. The police won't issue the permit yet.
Yeah, you need to wait in line for all the other 1001 whining foreigners without the proper paperwork to be told to piss off first... seriously, you get a number if you get a job and you don't need a number to get a contract signed ... try being a no-speak Romanian and she got it done. And no you do not need any paper from the police to get a number - you need a *reason* to get a number. Getting domiciled is a different thing.
Try to work out how you would do any of these things if you just happened to not be in the system yourself, nor any of your family members.

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Re: moving to Finland ..living with Finn etc etc

Post by Nicely » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:33 pm

onkko wrote: so no one can just slip other side of border to leech
Jeez! What is it with you guys and your xenophobic obsession that everyone who comes to your country wants to leech off it? Some of us genuinely want nothing more but to work and contribute to the country. If wanting to be registered to achieve this is 'leeching', you have some very strange beliefs. I don't 'leech' off Britain (which would be a hell of a lot easier); what makes you think I want to go to the hassle of relocating to a completely different country to do it? :roll:
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Post by Pursuivant » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:36 pm

interleukin wrote:
Still doesn't change the fact it is unusual.
Well not so unusual that at least two other countries I know of in Europe have exactly the same system.
Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Estonia at least... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_i ... ion_number
Seems Australian lives like kangaroos in the bush...
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Post by onkko » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:49 pm

Nicely wrote:
onkko wrote: so no one can just slip other side of border to leech
Jeez! What is it with you guys and your xenophobic obsession that everyone who comes to your country wants to leech off it? Some of us genuinely want nothing more but to work and contribute to the country. If wanting to be registered to achieve this is 'leeching', you have some very strange beliefs. I don't 'leech' off Britain (which would be a hell of a lot easier); what makes you think I want to go to the hassle of relocating to a completely different country to do it? :roll:
Dont take it personally, its just well working safety system, nothing against people who dont come to leech.
And i dont have xenophobia, i do look strangers thru magnification glass tho for reason. And you have to admit that there is 3,000,000 or more who gladly come here to leech if its possible(to some it is...). Now we just need to fix that gdm leechseeker system...
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Re: moving to Finland ..living with Finn etc etc

Post by Seen Canary » Thu Sep 24, 2009 11:53 pm

Hei Everyone

I arrived from Scotland in June 2007 with Finnish partner (not married, nor ever likely to be :D ) and our 2 kids, both born in Scotland. The only major inconvenience I faced in the first couple of months was a perceived fascist public service. Everyone in the public service sector went out of their way to be rude, unhelpful and unashamedly bare faced bureaucratic ball busters. Not because I was foreign, British or any other nationalistic bent but because I had the temerity to move to Suomi and be linguistically challenged. I was constantly being sent from pillar to post then back to pillar, forwarded to post and so on (now Pursuivant, before you get your knickers in a twist I have since dealt with loads of nice PSW).

The worst offenders by a long country mile were EURES. I went along to see them on my second day here to seek employment advice, not to claim any benefits whatsover and the lady I spoke with would have cowed Josef Stalin. I really wished I had taped the conversation but from what I remember it went something like this:

Me - Hi I've just recently moved to Suomi and I'm looking for a job. Can you offer any advice?

EURES demon - Can you speak Finnish?

Me - No

E d - Well, there you go. How do you expect to get a job if you don't speak Finnish.

Me - I'm not fussy, I'm prepared to consider anything.

E d - But you can't speak Finnish.

Me - Ok. We've established that I can't speak Finnish. However, their must be something, anything that doesn't require Finnish language skills

E d - (Sighs loudly then checks computer for possible vacancies) Would you be prepared to wash dishes (she asks in a really condescending manner)?

Me - Yup, absolutely. I wouldn't mind that. Why? Is there a vacancy?

E d - Yes

Me - Brilliant, I'd like to apply for it

E d - (Looks at me with a winning, nasty smile) Sorry but it says here that you must speak Finnish

Me - (My turn to sigh and raise my voice slightly) Ok, can you at least give me some advice or job seeking tips that would help?

E d - No, there's nothing I can do to help. Come back when you've learned the language.

Me - You work for EURES right? I'm a citizen of the EU so you are employed to assist and aid me find employment, right? So, would you please help me find a job?

E d - (This part really happened) I'll tell you what. I'll just grab my jacket and take you outside and get you a job. How about that?

Me - (Stunned) You are the nost unhelpful PSW I have ever met in my life. In Britain you would be sacked or at least severely censured for your attitude and behaviour.

E d - (Nonchalantly) Would you like to talk with my manager?

Me - Yes please. Does he speak English?

E d - No

In the end she relented slightly. I told her that I had heard Itella/Posti had jobs available for early morning delivery work. She went to the trouble of finding Itella's headquarters address and advised me to go there and apply. I cycled the 8km to get there only to be told that I had to apply online. They would only accept online applications. So the EURES demon won in the end. Although, I did get the job of Helsingin Sanomat lehden jakajaa ( How is that for an impressive sounding title) and I'm still enjoying it over 2 years later (that's another story in itself).

Ultimately, my advice about obtaining KELA number is to stop whinging and get a job, any freaking job.

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Re: moving to Finland ..living with Finn etc etc

Post by Pursuivant » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:01 am

Nicely wrote: Jeez! What is it with you guys and your xenophobic obsession that everyone who comes to your country wants to leech off it?
Because the first thing they ask is how they get on KELA integration allowance and them free Finnish courses. Unfortunately we do not give welfare to tourists. People are quite welcome to look for a job on their own money.
Some of us genuinely want nothing more but to work and contribute to the country.
Then *get* a job... *wanting* a job isn't on the list of reasons to give Finnish residency.
If wanting to be registered to achieve this is 'leeching', you have some very strange beliefs.

The belief is called "proving you are not to become a burden to the state". Thats something you need to prove and thats your problem if you can not.
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Post by Pursuivant » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:04 am

Seen Canary wrote:Ok, can you at least give me some advice or job seeking tips that would help?
The classic one is "look in the internet"... oh but the MOL pages search is in Finnish only... gives you a hint doesn't it. Those EURES bureaus I think are actually geared more towards Finns finding a job abroad. But if you are EU you don't get the time of day from the "immigrant" employment centre in Hakaniemi.
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Post by Seen Canary » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:05 am

Sorry, I got a bit carried away there.

I got the job, got the KELA number, got the tax card, Majistrate thingy, Police thingy shortly after. Getting a job, any job is the easiest way for the smooth transition into Finnish Bureaucracy.

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Post by Pursuivant » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:09 am

Well you could have tried the "family" approach as well... its easier to prove with two ankle-biters you pinch a bit in front of the office ladies.
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Post by Seen Canary » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:11 am

Hei Pursuivant

Arrived here June 2007, started work August 2007, pay my taxes, never claimed a single benefit, still working. Can I be your friend? :lol:
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Post by Pursuivant » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:14 am

Seen Canary wrote:Sorry, I got a bit carried away there.
Thats brilliant - almost a script for this


the Finnish bureaucracy is easy... "fit in the box" and "never think"... and be suspicious as they will say "yes" and "no" but they won't go "yes,but..." So like they will say one day "yes, fill in this paper and you can start a business".... and the next "no, you can't get anything - as you are now an entrepeneur - and heres the 10K tax bill due in 7 days".
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Post by Pursuivant » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:14 am

Seen Canary wrote:Can I be your friend?
You can be Onkko's catamite :lol:
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Post by onkko » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:18 am

Seen Canary wrote:Not because I was foreign, British or any other nationalistic bent but because I had the temerity to move to Suomi and be linguistically challenged.
Nah, it was because youre vertically challenged, they thought youre leprechaun :twisted:
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Re: moving to Finland ..living with Finn etc etc

Post by Nicely » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:25 am

Hank, some of your posts make me laugh, but others make me wonder if you could crawl any further up your own arSe :lol: I fully intend to *get* a job (and, yes, any job is fine initially), but I first need to *get* to Finland.

And for the record, I didn't even know about KELA integration allowance until earlier today... I'd heard about the Finnish courses, but from what I've also heard about the way they teach it, I'd be better off with an internet or 'teach yourself' course and practising on lots of people until I get better :wink:
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