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irnbru
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by irnbru » Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:47 am
raamv wrote:Just remember to avoid external contact still
as the vaccines take 2 weeks to take Effect..
Yep that little 2 year old girl that died in Helsinki less than a week ago had already been vaccinated but she died a week later

Re: H1N1 vaccination
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Lisa 15
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by Lisa 15 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:09 pm
Same here: our 2 girls got both flue vaccination this morning: no line, nothing at the neuvola

but quite unfriendly nurses

now my girls are terrified about getting any other vaccinations
2 weeks to wait, then we can breathe again

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by EP » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:19 pm
I had one last Monday. And they really do check if an adult person is in a risk group.
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irnbru
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by irnbru » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:48 pm
Lisa 15 wrote:2 weeks to wait, then we can breathe again

Can you though? Only one shot in a child under 10 without the follow up shot 3 weeks later might be quite ineffective it seems.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix#Dosage
The vaccine is supplied in separate vials, one containing the adjuvant, and the other the inactivated virus,[6] which require mixing before intramuscular injection. Originally it was thought that two doses given 21 days apart would be required for full efficacy.[citation needed]. Subsequent testing has allowed the UK programme to consist of just a single dose for most people, with a two-dose schedule for children under the age of 10 years and immunocompromised adults.[7]
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Lisa 15
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by Lisa 15 » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:54 pm
it is not quite sure. I understood that Finland still wonders about the reactivity of the vaccine and has not made any decision for the 2nd shot. But I hope they're not so stupid to waste all that money: the media have already manage to get people to panic about the possible lack of vaccination for everybody, imagine what will hapen if they start to say that the vaccine doesn't protect you unless you get the 2nd shot. So if it is really needed, I'm confident that the gvt will arrange it, otherwise they just vaccinated thousands of kids for nothing

In France they give two shots to be on the safe side. Also this morning, for the normal flue, the nurse said that my kids will need a 2nd injection in 1month because it is the 1st time they receive that shot...
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irnbru
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by irnbru » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:59 pm
Lisa 15 wrote:But I hope they're not so stupid
There is an extremely high probability they are

We're talking about the same people who were going to shut Laakso in November.
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by Rosamunda » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:16 pm
Lisa 15 wrote:In France they give two shots to be on the safe side...
In France, most people are not bothering.
http://www.lemonde.fr/opinions/article/ ... _3232.html
Figaro:
Ouverts depuis le 12 novembre aux publics prioritaires (pour l'instant professionnels de santé, parents de nourrissons de moins de six mois et personnes avec une maladie chronique), les centres connaissent une fréquentation modeste. À Paris, pendant les trois premiers jours de fonctionnement, les douze sites de la capitale n'ont ainsi accueilli que 3 264 personnes, dont 3 075 ont reçu une injection, selon les données de la Préfecture.
The vaccination centres opened in Paris on 12 novembre. Only 3075 people vaccinated in 3 days (in 12 vaccination centres).
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by raamv » Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:31 am
One thing that Finland does not take a risk is about Healthcare..
So For those who think that Finnish system doesnt care.. Get to your own country and get that second jab....
This is the main thing with Foreign people coming here and making our perception from a Finn's p.o.v really really bad..
is doubting that the Finnish Health Ministry is incompetent..
IF not for ALL of those folks, Finland would not stand a chance in being ever on the world stage..
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irnbru
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by irnbru » Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:42 am
raamv wrote:One thing that Finland does not take a risk is about Healthcare..
So For those who think that Finnish system doesnt care.. Get to your own country and get that second jab....
This is the main thing with Foreign people coming here and making our perception from a Finn's p.o.v really really bad..
is doubting that the Finnish Health Ministry is incompetent..
IF not for ALL of those folks, Finland would not stand a chance in being ever on the world stage..
Bollocks. If there is one thing you should be able to question it's the healthcare you are receiving. I would be questioning it just as much in my home country. Probably more so going off past mistakes. And the idea you can't question a government ministries decision is quite frankly laughable.
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by raamv » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:21 pm
irnbru wrote:raamv wrote:One thing that Finland does not take a risk is about Healthcare..
So For those who think that Finnish system doesnt care.. Get to your own country and get that second jab....
This is the main thing with Foreign people coming here and making our perception from a Finn's p.o.v really really bad..
is doubting that the Finnish Health Ministry is incompetent..
IF not for ALL of those folks, Finland would not stand a chance in being ever on the world stage..
Bollocks. If there is one thing you should be able to question it's the healthcare you are receiving. I would be questioning it just as much in my home country. Probably more so going off past mistakes. And the idea you can't question a government ministries decision is quite frankly laughable.
you are very inconsequential in this society of Finns who
know and understand the system..and trusts it...
Its people like you who starts to underestimate the people that work in the health-care system..that gives it a bad name..As for comparing the system here with where you come from...If you cannot accept the care given here...then find it where you came from!!

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irnbru
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by irnbru » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:33 pm
raamv wrote:you are very inconsequential in this society of Finns who know and understand the system..and trusts it...
Its people like you who starts to underestimate the people that work in the health-care system..that gives it a bad name..As for comparing the system here with where you come from...If you cannot accept the care given here...then find it where you came from!!
Whatever
For the record the healthcare in question is for my son who happens to be a Finn. And this is his home country, and as he isn't very articulate just yet I'll question things for him to ensure he gets the best possible care. And I'll continue to do so thanks.
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by tonia99 » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:28 am
Hi,
my 7 year old will not take the vaccine. I just think this vaccine has too much mercury in it and that is a health risk in itself.
But everyone makes their own decisions. We eat really healthy, lots of fruits and veggies, and our immune systems are quite good, none of us have been sick for about a year now..
But I do understand those who take the vaccine, if you are scared I guess its always better to do it than worry all the time.
There are different types of the H1N1 vaccine though, and if you can get a vaccine without thimerosal (mercury), that would be good. But many H1N1 vaccines also contain msg and other not very welcome ingredients, as does other vaccines as well.. so Im not sure I would give it to my son even if I would find a mercury free brand.
Have a good day everyone

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by Amandine.K » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:06 pm
There is mercury in most vaccines you know, even the first ones a baby get.
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by Upphew » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:51 pm
Amandine.K wrote:There is mercury in most vaccines you know, even the first ones a baby get.
And in the energy saving lights too. Did you know that you should/must open the window and close the door for 20-30 minutes to clear the air of the room where one of those were broken ("bulb" physically broken)?
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