H1N1 vaccination

Lisa 15 · Post by **Lisa 15** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:52 am

Hi!
I have a 3 months old baby. I usually don't worry to much about my kids getting sick, but I must admit that the media circus about the swine flue finally got me wondering. Since my baby is too small to get vaccinated, the only way to protect her is to protect her 2 sisters, as well as my husband and myself. But we don't belong to the priority group as we are all healthy. However, pregant women are in the 2nd priority group meaning considered as vulnerable, how come nothing is done for very small babies?
Also, once the vaccination will be here, will you take it for your kids? why/why not? I have a hard time to decide what to do, and the info on the web is just crazy.

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raamv · Post by **raamv** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:17 am

Priority 1: Babies, Kids under some age ( Dont remember), Nurses, and People older than 65, People with auto immune disease..
Priority 2: Adults, teenagers etc

Check in Kirkkonummi pages:
http://www.kirkkonummi.fi/etusivu/1/ter ... otuksissta
* Kaikki 65 vuotta täyttäneet ( All over 65 yrs of age )
* Kaikki perusterveet 6-35 kuukauden ikäiset lapset ( All babies between 6 monthhs to 35 months of age => < 3 yrs )
* 3-64 -vuotiaat lääketieteellisiin riskiryhmiin kuuluvat. Lääketieteelliseen riskiryhmään kuuluu henkilö, jonka terveyttä influenssaan sairastuminen oleellisesti uhkaa.
( Anyone whose midical risk is threatened..mostly people with autoimmune conditions)

For Swine Flu vaccination starts Week 44 - 45.
Ilmoitamme paikallislehdessä ja ilmoitustauluilla rokotusaikataulusta.
Lisätietoja: johtava ylilääkäri Helena Liira, puh. 050 577 1351

irnbru · Post by **irnbru** » Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:09 pm

Its a nightmare isn't it. I have 2 boys 3 years old and a 3 month old. None of us are in a risk group (according to whoever decides this in Finland). There might be vaccine available in a few months. Until then just wash your hands a lot and try your best to avoid it.

I got Tamiflu from the UK (1 adult dose and 1 child dose) but it seems you can't give it to a baby under 6 months.

If one of you catches it wear a face mask around the home and try and avoid the others.

irnbru · Post by **irnbru** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:04 pm

FYI

http://www.stm.fi/en/pressreleases/pres ... 1426783#en

Lisa 15 · Post by **Lisa 15** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:18 am

Thanks for the link to the article but it is already 2 months old...
I asked my nurse at the neuvola and she said that the first vaccination will come in december-january.
Also about the different group, it is disturbing for me to read " amoung the young children, the rate of morbidity is particularly high and they shold be protected" but still, those young children are only in groupe 4

I don't get the logic!
As fopr the treatment, tamiflu is not recommend for kids under 1 year old. They don't really ahve any ready dose for so samll kids so they need to dilude the caps to reach a concentration adapted to the kids, great!
I just hope my kids don't get it before I can vaccinate them
I understood that there were two kinds of vaccination: one is a shot, the other one an inhalator, any idea if hte one by inhalation will be available in Finland?

tuulen · Post by **tuulen** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:33 am

Maybe there could be a reason as to why pregnant women, babies and very young children are not given a vaccine.

To them, for instance, maybe a vaccine could cause more harm than good.

So, do everything you can to not expose yourself, your baby and your young children to the H1N1 virus.

ajl · Post by **ajl** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:01 am

ummm, tuulen, pregnant women are supposed to be vaccinated right after health
care workers.... Pregnancy correlates to an increase in mortality from
this mild virus, limited vaccine supplies dictate some sort of prioritized list. For
some the fact that they didn't order adjuvant (sp?) free vaccine for pregnant
women is an issue (at least I've seen such questioning in Finnish and Canadian
news, not an issue for the US which doesn't put it in vaccines, problem being
the US will have far less vaccine to go around without it).

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:09 am

Last week I heard the pregnancy issue mentioned in an NPR news report. I believe the expert they were interviewing said that pregnant women were at 6x risk compared to a non-pregnant woman of the same age.

travelfish · Post by **travelfish** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:18 pm

My wife is pregnant for six months and we are informed that she could take the H1N1 vaccination next Monday. We had thought H1N1 so far away from us

We cannot have the final decision because we don't really know if the vaccination is really harmless to the baby as it is newly invented ......

irnbru · Post by **irnbru** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:43 pm

travelfish wrote:we don't really know if the vaccination is really harmless to the baby as it is newly invented ......

It's not newly invented. The process is exactly the same as the seasonal flu vaccine they have been producing for years. I watched a documentary how they make it. It's pretty basic stuff. The only difference is the flu strain they put in the vaccine (this time it's the swine flu strain).

Andythefinn · Post by **Andythefinn** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:07 pm

- IRNBRU - ^ "I watched a documentary on it'
So that's where y'r getting all this knowledge from - calling people w@nkers because they might have a different opinion to your very very wise self in another H1N1 post . . . Christ mate, go get yerself flopped out in yr fat assed recliner and watch another documentary or two, then come back on here and enlighten us all with yet MORE words of wisdom. .
Can't wait. hehe

panda_123 · Post by **panda_123** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:14 pm

I'm pregnant and due in less than 10 days - and was advised to get it. Not only that - but I have asthma and my husband has crohns - I'm from Canada - it's a big uproar right now as to whether or not to get it.
However the nurse from Neuvola told me that it would go to the baby right away - however I have a colleague back home who works in chemistry/medical field and she said it would take 7-10 days for your body to accept the vaccine and then it may take some time for the fetus to accept it as well. Although if I have the baby early - then I can still pass along antibodies via breast feeding.

irnbru · Post by **irnbru** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:18 pm

panda_123 wrote:I'm pregnant and due in less than 10 days - and was advised to get it. Not only that - but I have asthma and my husband has crohns - I'm from Canada - it's a big uproar right now as to whether or not to get it.
However the nurse from Neuvola told me that it would go to the baby right away - however I have a colleague back home who works in chemistry/medical field and she said it would take 7-10 days for your body to accept the vaccine and then it may take some time for the fetus to accept it as well. Although if I have the baby early - then I can still pass along antibodies via breast feeding.

Good luck with the birth.

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:45 pm

I learned yesterday that the pediatric (or was it infant, I can't remember) mortality rate due to H1N1 cases (not vaccinations) in my state in the U.S. has taken doctors by surprise. It is substantially higher than they had anticipated.

irnbru · Post by **irnbru** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:56 pm

AldenG wrote:I learned yesterday that the pediatric (or was it infant, I can't remember) mortality rate due to H1N1 cases (not vaccinations) in my state in the U.S. has taken doctors by surprise. It is substantially higher than they had anticipated.

It's quite difficult to find any information on h1n1 infant mortality rates. I've been trying for a long time now. It seems that babies and young kids are a large percentage of hospitalizations and intensive care patients though unfortunately.

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