Citizenship Application 2023

[No_doo]

Starting 18th month of waiting, queue number ~1800, stage 1.

26 months and counting queue number 65x looks like my application might be among the oldest in this forum now . The only thing I heard when I asked migri, they said just to be patient and that my application might be processed in the coming Fall. Let's just wait for the miracle to happen one day. I think we have waited longer enough

Over 14 months, queue number ~ 2700. Stage 1

[alibaba_dm]

~14 months and still stage 1 as well.
This forum helps a bit as I'm not alone in this never ending Odottaa käsittelyä.

There is a hypothesis that I'd like to check with all others who are waiting >12 months: could you please share your gender?
I have a feeling that women are processed rather quickly however men are pushed in a longer queue.

[Auringon_kukka]

Starting 18th month of waiting, queue number ~1800, stage 1.

26 months and counting queue number 65x looks like my application might be among the oldest in this forum now . The only thing I heard when I asked migri, they said just to be patient and that my application might be processed in the coming Fall. Let's just wait for the miracle to happen one day. I think we have waited longer enough

Over 14 months, queue number ~ 2700. Stage 1

Total of 12 months in, queue number 32xx, stage 1. Whatever

[Guess.who]

~14 months and still stage 1 as well.
This forum helps a bit as I'm not alone in this never ending Odottaa käsittelyä.

There is a hypothesis that I'd like to check with all others who are waiting >12 months: could you please share your gender?
I have a feeling that women are processed rather quickly however men are pushed in a longer queue.

I have heard this too along with your current nationality.
If you don't mind to share your nationality?

[karhu86]

i think what is worse than being too long on stage 1 is being too long on stage 2. it has been four and a half months for me on stage 2 and i seriously don't know what is wrong.

[dude238818]

i think what is worse than being too long on stage 1 is being too long on stage 2. it has been four and a half months for me on stage 2 and i seriously don't know what is wrong.

I think you are still better because every single day you might think of a decision. Over 26 months on stage 1 is very frustrating as well

[another_one]

Just checked expected processing time for a citizenship application at migri and noticed that it was increased.
Before for me it was 6-18 months, now it is 6-20 months

[john_wik]

Hi,

I've got 2 year entry ban from Finland in 2022, one year already gone and next year, 2024 my ban period will be completed. I've complete degree from Finland and also have full-time work with Finnish country. Is it possible that next year I'll apply for RP and Migri will give me positive decision means will they consider my previous situation while giving decision? If anyone went through this situation, it would be great if can guide.

Thank you

This is a thread about citizenship. Not residence permit. If you have ever been banned entry from Finland, expect that your chances for the rest of your life in getting any permit from Finland will be extremely low. Chance could be positive but because you already got banned once, they can always argue that they'd suspect you'd cause problems if they let you back in for anything more than tourism. They don't issue bans lightly.

EDIT: After reading your previous posts, I think you're screwed. There is no way they will let you back in but that's just my opinion.

1. You had falsified documents.
2. They cancelled your study visa
3. You appealed
4. They rejected that appeal
5. You were given 1 month to leave
6. You tried to work around that by applying for a job and work permit (You also failed to leave)
7. They declined that also
8. You were banned from re-entering as a result.

Clearly you need to take "no" for an answer. When they tell you to go, you must go. Even if you had a job waiting, you should have left, gone back to wait for the decision and then possibly could have come back under different grounds. Instead you stuck around and they had to deny you a third time. You're lucky the ban wasn't longer.

You're better off trying to get an RP for a different country. At the very least expect to be scrutinized, have a good explanation and be 99% ready for a decline. You're just going to throw your money away on applications and waste time in appeals.

Today I got my citzenship.
Applied in December 2022.

Congrats.

Thanks for your comment and providing this information. Yeah I also think they are not going to give me RP again that easy even if I have new grounds and full-time job. Also I made mistakes but there were reasons, I don't know Finnish at all and they gave all decisions in Finnish language. Also I couldn't found a good lawyer/guideline at that time but it is what it is. Now, I just want to try because I can't know wether they'll give me RP or not without trying.

What if I apply for some other country after entry ban period, Sweden or Denmark. will they also check this out and higher possibility that they'll reject my application?

Thank you

[No_doo]

Today I got my citzenship.
Applied in December 2022.

Congrats!

[37yqp8098y5]

Thanks for your comment and providing this information. Yeah I also think they are not going to give me RP again that easy even if I have new grounds and full-time job. Also I made mistakes but there were reasons, I don't know Finnish at all and they gave all decisions in Finnish language. Also I couldn't found a good lawyer/guideline at that time but it is what it is. Now, I just want to try because I can't know wether they'll give me RP or not without trying.

What if I apply for some other country after entry ban period, Sweden or Denmark. will they also check this out and higher possibility that they'll reject my application?

Thank you

I think you have no hope. All Nordic countries and most EU countries share visa and immigration information. They'll see you were denied in Finland and will be worried about giving you access to any other Schengen country. I've read dozens of stories of people getting an entry ban and still having problems and being scrutinised 10 years later. Guess it's too late to say now but it was really a stupid idea to push them to end up banning you like you did.

No one can tell you what will happen, except prepare for painful time.

[dude238818]

Is anyone in this forum who has applied in 2021? I applied in July 2021 queue number 6xx and am still on stage 1. I was told that my application could be processed in the Fall. I just want to know if anyone here applied in 2021 and what are your queue numbers.

[37yqp8098y5]

Is anyone in this forum who has applied in 2021? I applied in July 2021 queue number 6xx and am still on stage 1. I was told that my application could be processed in the Fall. I just want to know if anyone here applied in 2021 and what are your queue numbers.

You're likely the only one. I would honestly contact the Ombudsman (Oikeausasiamies), and claim that you are being discriminated against. Explain that you have been waiting over 2 years, there's no lawful reason why you should be waiting so long and you have complied with all their requests etc. Explain that there is no good reason why it should take so long and make sure to stress that you paid them €450 (whatever it was at the time of the application) and so far they have just taken your money and given you nothing.

You should expect a reply from the Ombudsman within about 1 month. They will take your case seriously because it has been so long (if it was only 1 year of waiting, they likely would reject it). Whether or not they take your case seriously though will also depend on how good case you make to them.

Main things to mention would be:

1. That you have provided all documents clearly when requested and given all information and there is nothing on your side preventing them from making the decision.

2. That you have attempted to work things out with Migri and ask them to speed up the processing or at least give an explanation why they have been taking so long (this is mandatory, in that you MUST be able to prove you have at least spoken to Migri even ONCE about the status of your application before contacting the Ombudsman)

3. Claim that you are being discriminated against and that if you were some other nationality, they likely would have completed your application sooner. You can't prove this, but at the same time, based on the time you've been waiting, it's not a far cry to suggest.

4. Claim that Migri is failing their duty in giving you a resolution to your application in taking soo long and that their answers and excuses are not good enough or appropriate and do not serve you enough dignity. Mention that their service should not incur such a long wait and that it is a disgrace and the processing fee is too expensive for such bad and uncaring service.

5. Lastly, make sure to mention that so far you have paid €450 and got nothing. They have simply taken your money and given you nothing for it. That you legally are required to have the decision and all you want is them to process the application. That is it.

If you can mention those things, provide them evidence that you have asked them for information or to speed things up but they have rejected you. They will take the case seriously. They are legally obligated to take you seriously, especially if you claim the things I mentioned and can prove you've spoken to Migri (and got nothing fair from them) and also that you have been waiting over 2 years.

I would expect that as soon as they get to your case in Oikeausasiamies, it would take less than 2 weeks for them to put their foot up Migri's ass and make them process it immediately.

Bear in mind, you're likely at such a low number because you were either:

1. Missing original documents you needed when you made your application
2. Had not lived here long enough at the time you applied
3. Are from a country on the list
4. Have documents that are hard to verify if they are genuine
5. Have had some other difficulties or legal issues or something else

No one ends up waiting 2+ years unless there's multiple factors involved. In any case, follow the instructions I provided and keep us informed. You have nothing to lose and Oikeausasiamies is a free service that our tax dollars pay for. Also every time Oikeausasiamies has to step in and solve something, it puts legal pressure on the govt service (in this case Migri) to clean up their sh!t. I did the same with Traficom and have had great success. As soon as you point to OAM most organizations get their stuff together immediately otherwise they risk a fine and being sued.

If you don't bother to complain to Oikeausasiamies and get them to investigate then you have no right to complain about the processing time. These people literally exist to hold government services accountable. It's what our tax dollars are working for...

I will complain myself if my application ever reaches 24 months (which is in less than 5 months time). But I will give them at least until the end of the year.

[dude238818]

Is anyone in this forum who has applied in 2021? I applied in July 2021 queue number 6xx and am still on stage 1. I was told that my application could be processed in the Fall. I just want to know if anyone here applied in 2021 and what are your queue numbers.

You're likely the only one. I would honestly contact the Ombudsman (Oikeausasiamies), and claim that you are being discriminated against. Explain that you have been waiting over 2 years, there's no lawful reason why you should be waiting so long and you have complied with all their requests etc. Explain that there is no good reason why it should take so long and make sure to stress that you paid them €450 (whatever it was at the time of the application) and so far they have just taken your money and given you nothing.

You should expect a reply from the Ombudsman within about 1 month. They will take your case seriously because it has been so long (if it was only 1 year of waiting, they likely would reject it). Whether or not they take your case seriously though will also depend on how good case you make to them.

Main things to mention would be:

1. That you have provided all documents clearly when requested and given all information and there is nothing on your side preventing them from making the decision.

2. That you have attempted to work things out with Migri and ask them to speed up the processing or at least give an explanation why they have been taking so long (this is mandatory, in that you MUST be able to prove you have at least spoken to Migri even ONCE about the status of your application before contacting the Ombudsman)

3. Claim that you are being discriminated against and that if you were some other nationality, they likely would have completed your application sooner. You can't prove this, but at the same time, based on the time you've been waiting, it's not a far cry to suggest.

4. Claim that Migri is failing their duty in giving you a resolution to your application in taking soo long and that their answers and excuses are not good enough or appropriate and do not serve you enough dignity. Mention that their service should not incur such a long wait and that it is a disgrace and the processing fee is too expensive for such bad and uncaring service.

5. Lastly, make sure to mention that so far you have paid €450 and got nothing. They have simply taken your money and given you nothing for it. That you legally are required to have the decision and all you want is them to process the application. That is it.

If you can mention those things, provide them evidence that you have asked them for information or to speed things up but they have rejected you. They will take the case seriously. They are legally obligated to take you seriously, especially if you claim the things I mentioned and can prove you've spoken to Migri (and got nothing fair from them) and also that you have been waiting over 2 years.

I would expect that as soon as they get to your case in Oikeausasiamies, it would take less than 2 weeks for them to put their foot up Migri's ass and make them process it immediately.

Bear in mind, you're likely at such a low number because you were either:

1. Missing original documents you needed when you made your application
2. Had not lived here long enough at the time you applied
3. Are from a country on the list
4. Have documents that are hard to verify if they are genuine
5. Have had some other difficulties or legal issues or something else

No one ends up waiting 2+ years unless there's multiple factors involved. In any case, follow the instructions I provided and keep us informed. You have nothing to lose and Oikeausasiamies is a free service that our tax dollars pay for. Also every time Oikeausasiamies has to step in and solve something, it puts legal pressure on the govt service (in this case Migri) to clean up their sh!t. I did the same with Traficom and have had great success. As soon as you point to OAM most organizations get their stuff together immediately otherwise they risk a fine and being sued.

If you don't bother to complain to Oikeausasiamies and get them to investigate then you have no right to complain about the processing time. These people literally exist to hold government services accountable. It's what our tax dollars are working for...

I will complain myself if my application ever reaches 24 months (which is in less than 5 months time). But I will give them at least until the end of the year.

Yeah, thanks for the suggestion. I have contacted the Ombudsman and let's see what will happen. I do not know why I have to wait so long. I have a clean record and have been working. I have a very high-paying job as well and pay huge taxes. I will just be patient since it remains just 2 months for me to complete their so-called processing time

[Toivoton3]

Hi guys, I have been following you guys for quite some Time and it really helps to evacuate stress caused by the discrimination or should say incompetence of migri. There are many other people that have been waiting over 2 years. The fact that your queue number is 65x means there are almost 650 people that have been waiting longer than you. Me for e.g. I have been waiting for 28 months. Queue number 38x. Applied since may 2021. I also have a very good yearly income with good job and paying huge taxes. Had my yki with averagely 4 and have never been jobless or on unployment benefits. Never had any legal issue with a clean record. Honnestly I dont see any reason why my application should stay this long. My country is on the list but I dont think solely that should be a valid reason because i know people from countries on the list that received decisions withing months.

[karhu86]

Is anyone in this forum who has applied in 2021? I applied in July 2021 queue number 6xx and am still on stage 1. I was told that my application could be processed in the Fall. I just want to know if anyone here applied in 2021 and what are your queue numbers.

You're likely the only one. I would honestly contact the Ombudsman (Oikeausasiamies), and claim that you are being discriminated against. Explain that you have been waiting over 2 years, there's no lawful reason why you should be waiting so long and you have complied with all their requests etc. Explain that there is no good reason why it should take so long and make sure to stress that you paid them €450 (whatever it was at the time of the application) and so far they have just taken your money and given you nothing.

You should expect a reply from the Ombudsman within about 1 month. They will take your case seriously because it has been so long (if it was only 1 year of waiting, they likely would reject it). Whether or not they take your case seriously though will also depend on how good case you make to them.

Main things to mention would be:

1. That you have provided all documents clearly when requested and given all information and there is nothing on your side preventing them from making the decision.

2. That you have attempted to work things out with Migri and ask them to speed up the processing or at least give an explanation why they have been taking so long (this is mandatory, in that you MUST be able to prove you have at least spoken to Migri even ONCE about the status of your application before contacting the Ombudsman)

3. Claim that you are being discriminated against and that if you were some other nationality, they likely would have completed your application sooner. You can't prove this, but at the same time, based on the time you've been waiting, it's not a far cry to suggest.

4. Claim that Migri is failing their duty in giving you a resolution to your application in taking soo long and that their answers and excuses are not good enough or appropriate and do not serve you enough dignity. Mention that their service should not incur such a long wait and that it is a disgrace and the processing fee is too expensive for such bad and uncaring service.

5. Lastly, make sure to mention that so far you have paid €450 and got nothing. They have simply taken your money and given you nothing for it. That you legally are required to have the decision and all you want is them to process the application. That is it.

If you can mention those things, provide them evidence that you have asked them for information or to speed things up but they have rejected you. They will take the case seriously. They are legally obligated to take you seriously, especially if you claim the things I mentioned and can prove you've spoken to Migri (and got nothing fair from them) and also that you have been waiting over 2 years.

I would expect that as soon as they get to your case in Oikeausasiamies, it would take less than 2 weeks for them to put their foot up Migri's ass and make them process it immediately.

Bear in mind, you're likely at such a low number because you were either:

1. Missing original documents you needed when you made your application
2. Had not lived here long enough at the time you applied
3. Are from a country on the list
4. Have documents that are hard to verify if they are genuine
5. Have had some other difficulties or legal issues or something else

No one ends up waiting 2+ years unless there's multiple factors involved. In any case, follow the instructions I provided and keep us informed. You have nothing to lose and Oikeausasiamies is a free service that our tax dollars pay for. Also every time Oikeausasiamies has to step in and solve something, it puts legal pressure on the govt service (in this case Migri) to clean up their sh!t. I did the same with Traficom and have had great success. As soon as you point to OAM most organizations get their stuff together immediately otherwise they risk a fine and being sued.

If you don't bother to complain to Oikeausasiamies and get them to investigate then you have no right to complain about the processing time. These people literally exist to hold government services accountable. It's what our tax dollars are working for...

I will complain myself if my application ever reaches 24 months (which is in less than 5 months time). But I will give them at least until the end of the year.

well sir i can see you are an expert. do you have any information or advice for those who have been too long on stage 2. thanks!