heippa kaikki!
i am from switzerland and my mother is from finland. i have grown in switzerland and spent most of my vaccations in finland.
i finished my studying as nurse last year. now my boyfriend an me would like to move to finland.
has any one experiences as nurse in finland? how is the school? what are they able to do? what about the language?
my boyfriend works in switzerland for the goverment, any ideas how he could find a job in finland? he speaks german, english and french.
many thanks for answering!
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Re: working as nurse/sairaanhoitajana suomessa
I think you mean vacations (holidays, vacances, Ferien) not vaccinations (jabs)hirvi24 wrote: I have grown in switzerland and spent most of my vaccations in finland.
Please remember that he would need to pay special taxes (taxe d'exemption du service militaire), because he isn't doing his military service, unless he decided to do it in one go (under Armée XXI). Plus you would need to speak to the embassy about registration for referenda and elections if you are a Swiss citizen.hirvi24 wrote: my boyfriend works in switzerland for the goverment, any ideas how he could find a job in finland? he speaks german, english and french.
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nurse
Hi!
Do not be chocked, but Finland will welcome you to our new proletariat! In our presidential election the other candidate, extreme right-wing Sauli Niinistö has profilised himself as a president for the labourers. I asked my father what is this? And of course, he told, that in today's Finland professionals working in public sectors are the real labourers in Finland.
Nurses, doctors, teachers, social workers, police, nursery schol teachers are low-paid compared to their education etc. It is the private sector, and specific sectors, like paper production, who get the money. If a nurse works shifts and weekends, the profits are !"#¤% compared what the paper workers get
A ordinary nurse salary is 1700 euros (that range), then you will get extra for nights and so. But the numbers do not tell enough, it is the purchasing power, what you get with the money, which is crucial. In a study with European level comparison Finnish nurses were in par, or close to, eastern European countries, far behind from Scandinavian countries.
Then, many nurses choose to work non-clinical, like my cousin works as a product presenter for health care technolgoy. Then, my African friend found some racistic attitude in health care staff, but in the name of honesty, she can not speak Finnish, and does not yet know too much the practical system (nurse student), either, so the truth may be somewhere in between.
But as coming from Switzerland, no problem in this aspect.
Do not be chocked, but Finland will welcome you to our new proletariat! In our presidential election the other candidate, extreme right-wing Sauli Niinistö has profilised himself as a president for the labourers. I asked my father what is this? And of course, he told, that in today's Finland professionals working in public sectors are the real labourers in Finland.
Nurses, doctors, teachers, social workers, police, nursery schol teachers are low-paid compared to their education etc. It is the private sector, and specific sectors, like paper production, who get the money. If a nurse works shifts and weekends, the profits are !"#¤% compared what the paper workers get
A ordinary nurse salary is 1700 euros (that range), then you will get extra for nights and so. But the numbers do not tell enough, it is the purchasing power, what you get with the money, which is crucial. In a study with European level comparison Finnish nurses were in par, or close to, eastern European countries, far behind from Scandinavian countries.
Then, many nurses choose to work non-clinical, like my cousin works as a product presenter for health care technolgoy. Then, my African friend found some racistic attitude in health care staff, but in the name of honesty, she can not speak Finnish, and does not yet know too much the practical system (nurse student), either, so the truth may be somewhere in between.
But as coming from Switzerland, no problem in this aspect.
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hi toukokuu!
thank you for writing. it helped a lot. or shall i say sinun vastaus autoi paljon...?
the language would be just a little problem because i grew up learning finnish and german. in finnisch i am not so trained special in writing but i hope i could learn more of the language too.
as i heard there are many jobs for nurses. the salary is realy low! but i guess it would be worth for the whole experience.
the only thing i couldn`t find anywhere are the competences of finnisch nurses. in switzerland we are able to do a lot...is there any list with things they are able to do? in switzerland we do have a paper with all that stuff.
thanks al lot!
kiittos paljon! se oli tosi kiva saada sinun vastausta!
terveisin
thank you for writing. it helped a lot. or shall i say sinun vastaus autoi paljon...?
the language would be just a little problem because i grew up learning finnish and german. in finnisch i am not so trained special in writing but i hope i could learn more of the language too.
as i heard there are many jobs for nurses. the salary is realy low! but i guess it would be worth for the whole experience.
the only thing i couldn`t find anywhere are the competences of finnisch nurses. in switzerland we are able to do a lot...is there any list with things they are able to do? in switzerland we do have a paper with all that stuff.
thanks al lot!
kiittos paljon! se oli tosi kiva saada sinun vastausta!
terveisin
nurse
Hi again,
Well done with your Finnish. Despite the low salary, Finnish nurses are highly appreciated both in Finland and abroad. A friend of mine told, that they often proceed in extreme rate in the U.K., become departmental nurses and so. Well, if they manage with the hygiene in the U.K., they will of course stay there, because also the salaries are top there.
Finnish nurses do a lot. They are practical and independent, do more procedures than in many other countries. I can ask my friend, if I can give her email to you, so you can ask about some details of what you are supposed to do/ be able to do. Pls wait a little bit with this, and I will get back to you by a PM.
Of course, the work experience is more important than the money, anyway.And if you will stay in Finland, then there are the pharmaceutical companies, where many nurses work as medicine representatives.Then, your language skills in German (French) would help in the long run to find another position, maybe. For that, you need to learn more Finnish first, anyway.
All the best, Toukokuu
Well done with your Finnish. Despite the low salary, Finnish nurses are highly appreciated both in Finland and abroad. A friend of mine told, that they often proceed in extreme rate in the U.K., become departmental nurses and so. Well, if they manage with the hygiene in the U.K., they will of course stay there, because also the salaries are top there.
Finnish nurses do a lot. They are practical and independent, do more procedures than in many other countries. I can ask my friend, if I can give her email to you, so you can ask about some details of what you are supposed to do/ be able to do. Pls wait a little bit with this, and I will get back to you by a PM.
Of course, the work experience is more important than the money, anyway.And if you will stay in Finland, then there are the pharmaceutical companies, where many nurses work as medicine representatives.Then, your language skills in German (French) would help in the long run to find another position, maybe. For that, you need to learn more Finnish first, anyway.
All the best, Toukokuu
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I don't think English nurses regard their salries as toptoukokuu wrote:Well, if they manage with the hygiene in the U.K., they will of course stay there, because also the salaries are top there.
Ulla worked as a nurse in the UK for 4 years, despite being underwealmed with the level off hygeine.
Nurse
Richard,
Thanks, interesting that Ulla (your wife?) did not consider the U.K. nurse salaries as top. For purhasing power, in the study I earlier referred to, their PP was the highest, anyway. My friend in London is a health visitor, which is not exactly same as nurse (more terveydenhoitaja) and she earns something like 3.000 or more pounds(about 5 000 euros) a month, and yearns for more.
Then, also, is there a difference between the regular nurse posts in the U.K., and those who step in by agencies? In the latter, I guess the salaries are top, at least. And some Finnish nurses in London have a high life : fly for shopping trips to Spain over weekends. They maybe are then few and selected?.
Thanks, interesting that Ulla (your wife?) did not consider the U.K. nurse salaries as top. For purhasing power, in the study I earlier referred to, their PP was the highest, anyway. My friend in London is a health visitor, which is not exactly same as nurse (more terveydenhoitaja) and she earns something like 3.000 or more pounds(about 5 000 euros) a month, and yearns for more.
Then, also, is there a difference between the regular nurse posts in the U.K., and those who step in by agencies? In the latter, I guess the salaries are top, at least. And some Finnish nurses in London have a high life : fly for shopping trips to Spain over weekends. They maybe are then few and selected?.
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But talk of £'s is not so meanigfull, salaries are way higher in the UK. Her after tax salary as a percentage is much closer to mine in Finland than it was in the UK. Nurses in the UK feel undervalued and they have trouble finding enough nurses, hence the high number of nurses from other countries.toukokuu wrote:Richard,
Thanks, interesting that Ulla (your wife?) did not consider the U.K. nurse salaries as top. For purhasing power, in the study I earlier referred to, their PP was the highest, anyway. My friend in London is a health visitor, which is not exactly same as nurse (more terveydenhoitaja) and she earns something like 3.000 or more pounds a month, and yearns for more.
Then, also, is there a difference between the regular nurse posts in the U.K., and those who step in by agencies? In the latter, I guess the salaries are top, at least. And some Finnish nurses in London have a high life : fly for shopping trips to Spain over weekends. They maybe are then few and selected?.
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I'm a nursing student in Finland in an English degree programme as I can't really speak Finnish. I can confirm the racist attitude I have experienced it in some ways (I'm French btw) as well as my other classmates. You do need to speak Finnish to get a job. I would say that nurses here are not regarded as high as they are in the UK within the health care profession. Finland sees doctors as living gods and nurses do not have so much opportunities to go up the ladder as much as in the UK again. But that's just my perception anyway. I am struggling to learn the language, I have found that it is much easier to learn when you're doing practical placements but then most job offer will not consider your application because of your lack of fluency which is a shame really as it is the best way to learn I feel...
nurse
Dear Amandine,
Sorry for your experiences. In health care staff, to a certain degree I understand the" racistic" attitude. The staff is stressed if other workers do not understand things properly. Health care has to do with human beings, and it can be question of life and death, in extreme cases. Patients, on the other hand, have the right to be understood in their mother tongue. They express private and sensitive issues,and if there is a problem in the language level communication, it is actually not acceptable. Think about yourself as a patient.
But I would say, that there is some racistic attitude even when health care workers can pretty good Finnish (some cases Swedish). But there are other attitudes, as well. i know a case where a gay doctor did not get into specialisation because the boss was straight.
About the hierarchy between doctors and nurses: there has a long time been a principle of team work in FInland. Especially in health centres, it is the way how things go. Again, a relative of mine worked as a nurse in London, and she was treated worse there as a nurse by the doctors, than here.But Amandine, I guess that patients a bit consider doctors as small gods, at least compared to nurses.
Sorry for your experiences. In health care staff, to a certain degree I understand the" racistic" attitude. The staff is stressed if other workers do not understand things properly. Health care has to do with human beings, and it can be question of life and death, in extreme cases. Patients, on the other hand, have the right to be understood in their mother tongue. They express private and sensitive issues,and if there is a problem in the language level communication, it is actually not acceptable. Think about yourself as a patient.
But I would say, that there is some racistic attitude even when health care workers can pretty good Finnish (some cases Swedish). But there are other attitudes, as well. i know a case where a gay doctor did not get into specialisation because the boss was straight.
About the hierarchy between doctors and nurses: there has a long time been a principle of team work in FInland. Especially in health centres, it is the way how things go. Again, a relative of mine worked as a nurse in London, and she was treated worse there as a nurse by the doctors, than here.But Amandine, I guess that patients a bit consider doctors as small gods, at least compared to nurses.