Immigration to Finland falling -OECD

network_engineer · Post by **network_engineer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:32 pm

Not too surprising!!!

http://virtual.finland.fi/stt/showartic ... up=General

Wonder why!

You can link it to my other post...!!!

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Idefix · Post by **Idefix** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:20 pm

It goes up and down.

http://www.utu.fi/erill/instmigr/img/diag2.gif

http://www.mol.fi/mol/fi/99_pdf/fi/04_m ... ep2003.pdf

zoltar · Post by **zoltar** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:12 pm

That Mol.fi immigration report is really rather interesting. Especially considering the net migration of both the US and UK were about zero, meaning that immigration and emmigration is about equal. The EU countries also had high emmigration rates as well. The only countries who didn't were from turbulent or otherwise less stable countries.

It makes me wonder if Finland is doing anything at all to attract and keep educated western EU citizens or if it'll just keep accruing refugees who have nowhere else to go and who can't get jobs which, of course, feeds the cycle of not welcoming outsiders.

sammy · Post by **sammy** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:41 pm

zoltar wrote:It makes me wonder if Finland is doing anything at all to attract and keep educated western EU citizens

If you were in power, what would be your first steps to achieve this end, if we exclude the option of banning the Finnish language and adopting English as the official lingo?

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:43 pm

zoltar wrote: It makes me wonder if Finland is doing anything at all to attract and keep educated western EU citizens

Like what? We already have low taxation, high salaries, cheap prices, easy language, wonderful climate and compassionate women... what else would one want in life?

I mean why would anyone in their right mind come here, when they have a horse at home eating peanut butter

sammy · Post by **sammy** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:16 pm

Hank W. wrote:Like what? We already have low taxation, high salaries, cheap prices, easy language, wonderful climate and compassionate women... what else would one want in life?

Hank, you should be working for MEK

sinikettu · Post by **sinikettu** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:27 pm

sammy wrote:
zoltar wrote:It makes me wonder if Finland is doing anything at all to attract and keep educated western EU citizens
If you were in power, what would be your first steps to achieve this end, if we exclude the option of banning the Finnish language and adopting English as the official lingo?

The figure are sure to improve now.. after think of all those people rushing here to worship in Rovaniemi Lordi Square.....(shhh.... dont tell them about the man eating reindeer he keeps as pets!)

dampa · Post by **dampa** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:49 pm

Hank W. wrote: We already have low taxation, high salaries, cheap prices, easy language, wonderful climate and compassionate women... what else would one want in life?

We also have friendly, warm and welcoming society where people tolerates one another

Oombongo · Post by **Oombongo** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 8:56 pm

Hank W wrote:Like what? We already have low taxation, high salaries, cheap prices, easy language, wonderful climate and compassionate women... what else would one want in life?

The fact that attracted my attention is compassionate women. Care to show me your mail-order bride website?

jamesfc · Post by **jamesfc** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:16 am

Brilliant - perfect - a country where nobody else wants to go to - lets hope it remains a carefully guarded secret (damn Lordi!!)

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:27 am

Oombongo wrote: Care to show me your mail-order bride website?

Nothing a bright light and vitamin-D supplements won't cure...

jamesfc · Post by **jamesfc** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:27 am

IDEFIX - any idea what happened between 1965 and 1970? I'm puzzled what could explain such an amazing blip in the statisistic.

jamesfc · Post by **jamesfc** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:29 am

**statistics** dont want anybody to think I cant spell

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 4:34 am

what happened between 1965 and 1970?

"The Great Escape From the Countryside". Calculate small farm + born 1948-1955 (the "big generation") and theres 5-6 kids in their 20's and one small-hold farm. Small-hold farming became unviable back then. Also the same time you can see Helsinki population skyrocket. See all those concrete ghettoes with their 1960-1970's architecture? Guess who inhabited them? Finnish society changed from predominantly agrarian to predominantly city-dweller. Many villages virtually emptied. (And thats why theres so many "country hicks" in Helsinki

)

Emigration? Helsinki couldn't cope with the movement. And as for jobs, Swedish economy was booming and passport/work permit restrictions had been lifted in 1956 or so already. "Everyone went to Sweden", to work in Trollhättan or Göteborg... Thats why you get a "return from holiday" bonus. So you'd come back from Sweden...

As you can see the emigration/immigration goes in about 10 year cycles. The 1965-1970 exodus and then a 1975-1980 immigration rise. Its not like it would be "foreigners", though theres quite a lot of Swedish citizens. The guys who had gotten their Volvo and house money and/or didn't want their kids to be called "Finnjävel" moved back into the "old" country, as the Finnish economy was on a wobbly way up. But they wouldn't move "back to the village". The old farm house if it even exists is "granny's cottage", but the people settled into the cities.

But as you can imagine, this is why anyone frothing about moving to Nowheremäki gets the "silly looks". If the local young people have been and are still are moving out because theres no jobs for them, and they have the language/education/nepotism all figured out, how would you expect some funny foreign guy being suddenly desirably employable? Yes, that is why living in Nowheremäki is cheap - because nobody wants to move there. But as for jobs... ask how many villagers got a cousin in Sweden.

Idefix · Post by **Idefix** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:56 pm

Some freely translated:
After 1966, Finland was in a crisis, 1964-1965 20 000 Finns moved to Sweden. In 1967 a devalvation turned the economy around.
1970 the economy was in crisis again, and 1971 turned out to be the worst year of strikes since 1976.

Due to these economic crises in Finland maybe the emigration was just peaking at those years. I moved with my mom to Sweden, but that was later, think it was 1976.

”Efter riksdagsvalet 1966 bildades en center-vänster-regering under ledning av Rafael Paasio och med socialdemokraternas stjärna på uppgång, Mauno Koivisto, som finansminister. Finlands ekonomi hade hamnat i kris med ökad emigration, 1964-1965 flyttade 20 000 finländare till Sverige, men i oktober 1967 genomfördes en devalvering på 31 procent som lyckades vända konjunkturen.

Riksdagsvalet 1970 blev en förlust för den center-vänster-koalition som bildat regering. Valets segrare blev Samlingspartiet och det populistiska Finlands landsbygdsparti men Kekkonen ville inte se dessa i regeringsställning och bildade en bred koalitionsregering av Centern, socialdemokraterna, DFFF, liberalerna och Svenska folkpartiet. Ekonomin var i kris och 1971 blev det värsta strejkåret sedan 1956.”

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland_un ... krigstiden

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