Residence permit process

ailema4ever · Post by **ailema4ever** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:34 pm

Hi,

I'm an Indonesian and I just got married with a Finn last November 2006 in Indonesia in my home city (we've legalised the marriage paper and stuff). A week ago I applied for a tourist visa stating that I'd love to reunite with my husband and apply for a residence permit there, but they denied my visa and told me to apply for a first residence permit from the Embassy in my country, so I just did.

From what I read in this forum it can take a long time, especially if they processed it in Helsinki. My husband lives in Sodankylä. My question is: Will it take such a long time to get it processed?

Can I or my husband write a "speed-up letter"? But I wonder on what grounds? Hmmm...

Has anyone's residence permit application ever been rejected? I've been in contact with my husband via emails and phone calls only since 1999 and I visited him in 2004, then he came here in October 2006 to get married in Indonesia, so basically we haven't lived together at all, but we've submitted proof of our 'contact' (emails, chats, photos of our two meetings).

I guess I'm just a bit worried about everything. I mean since we haven't lived together long, we're DYING to be together again ASAP FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANKS to anyone that responds...

AMEL

P.S. I haven't browsed too much in this Forum, so forgive my ignorance.

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mia · Post by **mia** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:56 am

it takes two months the processing of the residence permit.

adorable · Post by **adorable** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:45 am

hmmm...
my finnish mate got marrieg last august 2006 with russian woman, and she still lives outside finland, no visa for her.she must wait for it.STRANGE

daryl · Post by **daryl** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:57 pm

ailema4ever wrote:I'm an Indonesian and I just got married with a Finn last November 2006 in Indonesia in my home city (we've legalised the marriage paper and stuff). A week ago I applied for a tourist visa stating that I'd love to reunite with my husband and apply for a residence permit there, but they denied my visa and told me to apply for a first residence permit from the Embassy in my country, so I just did.

There may be an issue here about too much honesty. Strictly speaking, a visa cannot be issued for permanent entry. On the other hand, there is no penalty for entering temporarily and then filing an application to remain permanently, even when this was the original "covert" intention.

We have noted that Finnish foreign missions sometimes recommend requesting a visa and then filing for a residence permit after arrival. Strictly speaking, they are encouraging applicants to make a false declaration for this purpose.

I think this is something that deserves closer examination as a matter of public policy. Something is wrong when authorities recommend unlawful procedures and applicants are effectively punished for strict compliance with the law.

daryl

tiramisu · Post by **tiramisu** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:04 pm

Hey!

The process takes from anywhere between 1mth to 3 mths ... could be shorter, could be longer ... just do a followup after a reasonable timeframe of waiting.

sy · Post by sy » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:14 pm

Some years ago there was a "kirjallinen kysymys" at the Parliament that and the Interior Minister answered that in such family reunion cases applicants can come to Finland as tourists (either with a visa or by the visa waiver program) and then file the residence permit applications in Finland. And applicants can stay in Finland while applications are being processed. So I guess this has formed again a so called "vakiintunut käytäntö" (well-established practice).

Anyway, you can always declare that you want to enter Finland as a tourist, then you can change your intention in Finland and thus want to adjust your status in Finland. So no false declaration when applying for the visa.

But again, maybe it is still difficult to get the visa in some situations, and thus this method is more useful for people from visa waiver countries.

ailema4ever · Post by **ailema4ever** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:03 am

THANKS, everybody!!!

Yeah, I guess I better just do a routine follow-up after my application process's started.

Yeah, I tried to be 'really' honest to the government 'coz I thought that'd 'expedite' the acceptance of my visa and 'coz I know that Finnish government's very 'law abiding'...but oh well...

I just can't wait to be interviewed and all that. Any suggestions about the interview? I guess I should be completely honest about any question they ask me, eh? I hope I won't get into trouble by being honest he he...

Cheers,

AMEL

JaDLB · Post by **JaDLB** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:28 pm

daryl wrote:
ailema4ever wrote:I'm an Indonesian and I just got married with a Finn last November 2006 in Indonesia in my home city (we've legalised the marriage paper and stuff). A week ago I applied for a tourist visa stating that I'd love to reunite with my husband and apply for a residence permit there, but they denied my visa and told me to apply for a first residence permit from the Embassy in my country, so I just did.
There may be an issue here about too much honesty. Strictly speaking, a visa cannot be issued for permanent entry. On the other hand, there is no penalty for entering temporarily and then filing an application to remain permanently, even when this was the original "covert" intention.

We have noted that Finnish foreign missions sometimes recommend requesting a visa and then filing for a residence permit after arrival. Strictly speaking, they are encouraging applicants to make a false declaration for this purpose.

I think this is something that deserves closer examination as a matter of public policy. Something is wrong when authorities recommend unlawful procedures and applicants are effectively punished for strict compliance with the law.

daryl

People and exucse me daryl, just live with it , quit giving hope that somebody can do something. you vote for those people that set these laws and this bureaucratic crap.

i dont advice the poor thing to come here without a residency permit becoz she will end up as a mini-sized dog as hank says.

otherwise if u want to come ever and apply here then Welcome to our club

i think i should have a club named : "Housemaids waiting PR and god's mercy from UVI."

please join us.

P.S : i guess the name is a bit too long , it is just frsutrating . i feel i dont exist anywhere. cant even have a damn phone contract or a damn doctor visit. am a tourist for obviously 6 month. and they call it human rights and liberal western world and then they say oh those foreigners coming to ruin our precious system that is so racist , wonder why there is not so many foreigners here , if they have to stay 6 month jobless and without any id, god i am ashamed really. hilarious

bntp02 · Post by **bntp02** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:46 pm

JaDLB wrote:
daryl wrote:
ailema4ever wrote:otherwise if u want to come ever and apply here then Welcome to our club

i think i should have a club named : "Housemaids waiting PR and god's mercy from UVI."

please join us.

P.S : i guess the name is a bit too long , it is just frsutrating . i feel i dont exist anywhere. cant even have a damn phone contract or a damn doctor visit. am a tourist for obviously 6 month. and they call it human rights and liberal western world and then they say oh those foreigners coming to ruin our precious system that is so racist , wonder why there is not so many foreigners here , if they have to stay 6 month jobless and without any id, god i am ashamed really. hilarious

Well my husband will be in the same perdicament when we move this year. I called the embassy in NY and they advised us to do the paper work when we have moved. She basically said it would be too much of a hassel to try and do it now, since we are still living in the states. I'm sorry for your frustrations. We too will be having the same feelings I'm sure.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:42 pm

JaDLB wrote: i think i should have a club named : "Housemaids waiting PR and god's mercy from UVI."

Yes well see the embassies abroad do not want to do the paperwork. However it is much faster than coming to Helsinki and then waiting. It is *not faster* here. It is slower. Polish inverted logic, but the closer you get to UVI the longer it takes.

Now I don't know if it is deliberate, or is the GHA section just overworked/understaffed.

JaDLB · Post by **JaDLB** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:18 pm

Well ,

I don't know either but i know i have been waiting now for 2 month and life goes on from a coffee shop to another. they give u nothing except a paper where they write estimate procedure is 6 month which means call us if u ever have the patience otherwise get out , one less. we have already enough foreigners and then some deputy goes on Tv and cry we want foreigners wa333 , why they don't come here to work for us .

anyhow, the advice is apply before coming , better wait in ur home country then wait here coz u have n0o rights , no laws , no social security , no work and u ll end up jumping of the window.

i won't nag , thank god i have beautiful happy face in the darkness back home but my advice to the new coming people : apply for the residency papers back in ur home country and use MSN/skype to chat with ur loved one and if he really loves u then he can wait and maybe he can think of how unfair his country's immigration policy is and how stupid it is and how really there is a lack of human rights after all.

i can't judge much since my country lebanon hasn't given the palestinian refugees any rights and i would look greedy if i cant @#$% wait for 6 month but still Finland is no heaven regarding to procedures. and never mind all that if u want to work LEARN FINNISH or die trying to get a job.

We are not a globalised country, nokia is though

ole hyvaa

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:11 pm

JaDLB wrote:anyhow, the advice is apply before coming , better wait in ur home country then wait here coz u have n0o rights , no laws , no social security , no work and u ll end up jumping of the window.

I tell some people some things for some reason. Some people do not believe me when I say these things but now you know yourself it is for a reason. Is it evil to hit the child who does not understand why, or is it evil to let the child burn the hand on the stove when you know it is hot?

I am the fakir with the magic flying carpet, and I hate having to dodge people jumping from the windows...

JaDLB · Post by **JaDLB** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:19 pm

I GOT THE NEWS !

Amazing Helsinki Poliisi has made a decision , i got it by post today. thanks god that was fast only 2 month even they told me 6 as estimated, they are quiet fast.

I would say malmi is not such a bad place after all , rtakes time but well i got it it seems. let's see , ill be visiting them soon , i guess maybe they have gone fast nowdays coz there is elections coming , god knows i could be lucky only

but anyhow i still have survived 4 month as a housewife

now what next , Hank help _ seriously here , what shall i do next to exist here!

what first ?

Majistrate tai kela tai vero skat tai WORK ! lol where is the damn work

anybody needs a cleaning maid at home *hihi* , do not laugh at my silly jokes but people my post is to tell you a relaity : Do not think it's the paper that will stop u here , it is the LANGUAGE and tFINDING THE WORK . good luck to all the ones waiting the mercy of our lord

ole hyvaa!

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:19 pm

OK. You go to maistraatti and register yourself as aresident of the city. Then you get you number and become a person. After that you wait for a few days the information filters through the computer system and you can telephone say the tax office and get the tax card. But if you want to go in person, tell something optimistic as 500-1000 euros a month salary, once you find a job it takes a phone call to change it to realism, but if you get 2-3 osa-aika duuni then you just make a photocopy of the "2nd job" and it won't be so bad for %. You can also fill in the KELA forms and ask for the card. And go to the (un)employment office and sign up for this immigration allowance thingy.

And then after you have the number you can go and get a bank account, bus card etc. You will not get a telephone contract or a visa card though before living 2 years and having a job.

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