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[chander]

I am from India
my daughter is looking for a master programme in chemical engineering
in Finland.
though education is free the living expenses are high
is it possible to get some assistance/part time job
thanks

[Vallu]

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[chander]

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[rinso]

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[chander]

thanks
I am not yet high tech and will need your help

[raamv]

I am from India
my daughter is looking for a master programme in chemical engineering in Finland.
though education is free the living expenses are high
is it possible to get some assistance/part time job
thanks

Without a knowledge of Finnish, its very very difficult to get a full-time job let alone part-time job..
so the only chance is support of Euro 600 per month for living as per Finnish law/Rules from somewhere till she graduates ( meaning at least 6000 Euros per year or more) ..and at the same time learns Finnish..Then she ll probably get integrated into the system here to find her way to a job..
If she is very very lucky, and stays in the capital area..there is a 0.1% chance that she can get some sort of job ( cleaning in restaurant or helping in Indian restaurants)..BUt there are only a max of 10-15 Indian (not really Indian but Nepali) restaurants here..
But why Finland? Why not UK? or US ?

[chander]

thanks
us expenses are still high and us is a place where one has scope after developing skills.
finland education is likely to be better and getting core competence here may be rewarding
my son has gone to poland for a master programme in medicinal chemistry. only because he is infludenced by a chemical reaction invented
by polish scientist and they still ahead in this reaction.
cr deshmukh

[raamv]

thanks
us expenses are still high and us is a place where one has scope after developing skills.
finland education is likely to be better and getting core competence here may be rewarding
my son has gone to poland for a master programme in medicinal chemistry. only because he is infludenced by a chemical reaction invented
by polish scientist and they still ahead in this reaction.
cr deshmukh

Your daughter has a chance of Earning her living expenses in the US more than here in some village in Finland as part time opportunities here are extremely limited if there are any at all..
Finnish Education is better if she can learn it in Finnish..and you really need to find a good program in English available here..
Again why Finland? Why not Germany? ( lots of very good chemical engineering programs) or France ( They re building the world's first nuclear fusion reactor)..

[mdn]

So you will need to find €600 euros per month to support her.

I read this forum not a long time, but I see information about €600 per month for students very often - why??? It is fully incorrect.
500 per month or 6000 per year - there is info on uvi.fi

[raamv]

So you will need to find €600 euros per month to support her.

I read this forum not a long time, but I see information about €600 per month for students very often - why??? It is fully incorrect.
500 per month or 6000 per year - there is info on uvi.fi

Uvi is the correct one. According to 2006 UVI, its Euro500 per month for 12 months that makes it Euro6000 per year. Some of use uses 600 for a safefty margin...or plain old typo..

[debonaire]

I am from India
my daughter is looking for a master programme in chemical engineering
in Finland.
though education is free the living expenses are high
is it possible to get some assistance/part time job
thanks

Hi chander...Which university is your daughter planning to get enrolled?
I happen to know a couple of guys who have studied here and some are still studying...There is one person from Kerela doing Masters in IT from Laperaanta University...I have his phone number and I think its better that you call him and get a first hand information regarding studying here...Since he is a current student,he will tell you the ground realities better than any of us...
Part time job will be difficult to get if you are counting on that...but getting a job after masters will not be difficult...
Personally,if I had to make a decision concerning the higher education of my daughter if I was in your place,I would opt for english speaking countries such US,UK,Australia,Canada....Agree the expenses are pretty high in case of US and UK but their degrees are highly valued all over the globe and there is no dearth of opportunities after graduation...I am not sure how much a finnish degree is worth in the Indian job market...You will have to consider all these factors into account while taking a decision as it concerns the future of your daughter and wisdom lies with going on the safest bet,i.e. US..

[Amandine.K]

Part time job will be difficult to get if you are counting on that...but getting a job after masters will not be difficult...

Sorry but that's rubbish. It's not because you have a master or a PhD that it makes it easier to get a job in Finland... And I can talk from experience. I came here with a MEd and it didn't get me anywhere! I have now taken a BA in Nursing from Helsinki AMK and guess what? There is a major shortage of nurses here. But I can't work because I don't master the language fluently enough. Still I got my nursing education here, from probably the best nursing school in the country. So diplomas are not the key to get a job in Finland, as it's been told numerous times before.

[debonaire]

Part time job will be difficult to get if you are counting on that...but getting a job after masters will not be difficult...

Sorry but that's rubbish. It's not because you have a master or a PhD that it makes it easier to get a job in Finland... And I can talk from experience. I came here with a MEd and it didn't get me anywhere! I have now taken a BA in Nursing from Helsinki AMK and guess what? There is a major shortage of nurses here. But I can't work because I don't master the language fluently enough. Still I got my nursing education here, from probably the best nursing school in the country. So diplomas are not the key to get a job in Finland, as it's been told numerous times before.

Sorry for your situation but a personal failure to obtain a job cannot be applied as a universal model...To counter your point of view,I came here with a B.Tech degree in mechanical engineering and got a job on my first interview...with scantly no knowledge of finnish language...I know I am not the only one as there are many others....so how do we go about interpreting the job situation here...For me its possible to get a job if you have some kind of professional training which can be efficiently utilised in the labor market...and definitely my B.Tech in engineering made it much easier to get a job and was offered this job solely on the basis of my academic qualifications...
See the point is that you want to work in the nursing profession for which it is expected of nurses to be fluent in finnish as you will be interacting with the local patients...So,in your case finnish is instrumental in getting a job...
On the contrary,I am working in an MNC and dealing with customers globally...and our company language is English...So it is not expected of me to learn finnish as long as I am fluent in English and fits the job profile suitably...

[Amandine.K]

Sorry for your situation but a personal failure to obtain a job cannot be applied as a universal model...To counter your point of view,I came here with a B.Tech degree in mechanical engineering and got a job on my first interview...with scantly no knowledge of finnish language...I know I am not the only one as there are many others....so how do we go about interpreting the job situation here...

now let's be realistic. Good for you to get a job on first interview. But how

many achieve the same thing? Not many!

For me its possible to get a job if you have some kind of professional training which can be efficiently utilised in the labor market...

There is a shortage of hundreds of nurses in Helsinki, so my professional training is very desirable right now. See how your point is not valid here? If it was only a question of training then surely I would not have a problem finding a job, in fact I would probably already have one. Oh but wait, I don't speak the language! How am I supposed to take care of Finnish speaking patients if I can't understand what they're saying to me or if I can't answer back...

and definitely my B.Tech in engineering made it much easier to get a job and was offered this job solely on the basis of my academic qualifications...

Again good for you but don't make it sound like we are the exception not to find a job straight after landing in this country. You are the exception. I have numerous examples of people who came here with PhD, MSc and who struggled finding work. Or people who like you came, found a niche job, and got unemployed after a year because their contract expired or the employer had to cut on staff. Well guess what? Their lovely diplomas didn't help at all. One had to go back to France, another one had to go back to school to change her career completely so that she could stay here and make a living. It's not that easy!

See the point is that you want to work in the nursing profession for which it is expected of nurses to be fluent in finnish as you will be interacting with the local patients...So,in your case finnish is instrumental in getting a job...
On the contrary,I am working in an MNC and dealing with customers globally...and our company language is English...So it is not expected of me to learn finnish as long as I am fluent in English and fits the job profile suitably...

You make it sound like I'm the dumb one and you're the smartest!

[rinso]

Sorry but a personal success to obtain a job cannot be applied as a universal model.
There are big differences in the job market. In niche job it can be easy, even without a (Finnish) degree. In other jobs factors like foreigner, foreign degree, no Finnish skills can become a major obstacle.
Don't present your personal experience as the standard for foreigners.