Stupid car tax go down 17% - wait next year to buy a new car

[Seven]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Finally Finns gov understand what means stupid communist taxes with EU help I think .
Who are those who still want extra taxes ?? 1-2 years ago there where quite many.


http://www.yle.fi/news/id73925.html

[sammy]

What do you think, will the lower taxes result in encouraging e.g. families to buy two cars instead of one? Just wondering... lower taxes is of course financially beneficial to a single consumer... but whether or not the actual emissions themselves -if indeed people will buy more cars- will stay on the same level (or rise?)

[mCowboy]

well the taxes in the cars with low emissions will go down, but the tax in the cars with high emissions will go up.

So if you're looking for a car with a small engine, wait till next year, however if you're out to buy a car with a big engine, buy it before the end of the year since price of those (new) cars will go up.

[OliBlom]

What do you think, will the lower taxes result in encouraging e.g. families to buy two cars instead of one? Just wondering... lower taxes is of course financially beneficial to a single consumer... but whether or not the actual emissions themselves -if indeed people will buy more cars- will stay on the same level (or rise?)

It is an interesting point and similar to one looked at in this BBC article - "As people cut their bills by using more efficient devices, they tend to spend the extra money buying additional goods that cancel out some of the savings."

It is without doubt though, IMO, a step in the right direction, though the bigger step has to come from a change in our overall lifestyles and attitudes.

[sammy]

What do you think, will the lower taxes result in encouraging e.g. families to buy two cars instead of one? Just wondering... lower taxes is of course financially beneficial to a single consumer... but whether or not the actual emissions themselves -if indeed people will buy more cars- will stay on the same level (or rise?)

It is an interesting point and similar to one looked at in this BBC article - "As people cut their bills by using more efficient devices, they tend to spend the extra money buying additional goods that cancel out some of the savings."

It is without doubt though, IMO, a step in the right direction, though the bigger step has to come from a change in our overall lifestyles and attitudes.

Well yes, that's what I was after... dunno, it is an interesting question.

well the taxes in the cars with low emissions will go down, but the tax in the cars with high emissions will go up.

That much is clear but what about the total amount of emissions... let's say - a family now has one car with X amount of emissions. Lo and behold: those cars that only produce 2/3 of X become cheaper... family decides, okay we'll now buy two cheap low-emission cars... -> their total emissions rise from the original amount X.

So the question is... if we forget about the cheap price... will it make any difference concerning the emissions, if people just consume more, and buy more cars? Even if they are low emission ones?

[Seven]

What do you think, will the lower taxes result in encouraging e.g. families to buy two cars instead of one? Just wondering... lower taxes is of course financially beneficial to a single consumer... but whether or not the actual emissions themselves -if indeed people will buy more cars- will stay on the same level (or rise?)

on the other side with less money people could buy new cars that are with less pollution than old cars that are using now.

[sammy]

on the other side with less money people could buy new cars that are with less pollution than old cars that are using now.

Yes, that is the positive thing. Cheap low emission cars ->

I'm just concerned whether it equally results in -erm- low emission people, that is, whether Joe Public will think this way, or is it just an incentive to purchase another four-wheeler in da house, even when it may not be absolutely necessary...?

Agh, shouldn't think negative *slaps own face*

[Seven]

One new link:

http://www.tulli.fi/fi/01_Ajankohtaista ... _42028.jsp

and

http://www.tulli.fi/fi/04_Julkaisut/01_ ... 5_2007.pdf

[oak]

I have a relatively new car with a small engine. So this new tax system is like a daylight robbery for me. It encourages people to be environment friendly in the future while it PENALIZES people who are already environment friendly. How absurd this could be?

[Seven]

I have a relatively new car with a small engine. So this new tax system is like a daylight robbery for me. It encourages people to be environment friendly in the future while it PENALIZES people who are already environment friendly. How absurd this could be?

I think everyone is you situation, but the good thing is that when you want to change your car you'll buy a better car with less money.

[mCowboy]

Most efficient way to reduce emissions would be discard the emissions tax (car tax and vehicle tax (usage tax)) and increase the taxation of gas and diesel.

If someone with small car (100g/km CO2) drives 40.000 km a year and someone with a big car (300g/km CO2) drives 10.000 km a year... which one is more ecofriendly?

Now by paying a bit more, people will think... "hell I paid additional emissions tax, I might as well drive a bit more as well..., wanna get my money's worth".

With the small car prices going down, burbs will buy more cars, stop using public transportation and busses will run empty. which one is more ecofriendly... small car with 3 people in it or bus with 5 people in it?

[sammy]

Good additional points mCowboy... goes to show it's not a B/W situation!

[Mook]

What do you think, will the lower taxes result in encouraging e.g. families to buy two cars instead of one? Just wondering... lower taxes is of course financially beneficial to a single consumer... but whether or not the actual emissions themselves -if indeed people will buy more cars- will stay on the same level (or rise?)

on the other side with less money people could buy new cars that are with less pollution than old cars that are using now.

What about the environmental cost of manufacturing a new car?

[sinikala]

So far you have all missed the main point (IMHO). Finland must according to EU legislation remove all those taxes on importing used cars.

If they were to comply with EU rules straight away (remember the surge in imports when Finland dropped the taxes *slightly*) there would be be a huge gap between the cost of a highly taxed new car in Finland and a relatively low taxed near new import, i.e. the government would lose out on all that lovely cash.

Lowering the new car taxes now is a damage limitation exercise, as a prelude to dropping the import car taxes like the EU ordered. The government gets decent tax ... in fact maybe more, as more people can afford a new car, see the UK and German car tax model, and the incentive to buy from abroad will be less.

on the other side with less money people could buy new cars that are with less pollution than old cars that are using now.

Yes, that is the positive thing. Cheap low emission cars ->

I'm just concerned whether it equally results in -erm- low emission people, that is, whether Joe Public will think this way, or is it just an incentive to purchase another four-wheeler in da house, even when it may not be absolutely necessary...?

Not picking on you specifically Sammy but you did mention two points I disagree with... first on emissions.

Cars today are just as bad in terms of CO2 emissions as they were 20 years ago. Sure they don't pump out nearly as many particulates and catalytic converters do their job... but they are far from low emissions. The EU fortunately is pushing to bring those emissions down below 120g CO2/km.

Engines have become more fuel efficient... but manufacturers have wasted that by bulking up the cars. The weight of cars has increased dramatically... more bumpers, airbags, comfy seats, cup holders, 18 speaker stereo etc. etc. The fuel efficiency of most cars today is often no better than their 80's counterpart.

And at the top end nowadays a 3 litre engine is nothing out of the ordinary, when I was a kid that was huge! noticed there is one Lexus hybrid that they were pushing as environmentally friendly... ok it's a hybrid... but it's a f***ing huge engined hybrid!

On 2 car families. Are you a driver? The cost of the car is only 1 factor ... fuel, insurance, servicing, buying replacement parts are also major costs. Those families that need 2 cars will already have 2. The sales tax on a new car will not, IMHO, be the main factor in deciding if a second car will be bought.

[Hank W.]

Finland must according to EU legislation remove all those taxes on importing used cars.

And where does that read? Denmark has been in the EU before jebus rode the dinosaurs and they have 140% tax.