(-Graham, 29, with my lowly B.S. in Pharmaceutical Marketing and Management)
Very confused as to all of the negativity here on jobs
Very confused as to all of the negativity here on jobs
Hello everyone, I just came across this board as my Finnish pregnant wife and I moved from NY a few months ago and I will be looking for a job after the baby is born. I have not really looked yet but WHY IS THERE SUCH A NEGATIVE OUTLOOK HERE FOR FOREIGNERS FINDING JOBS? You guys are making me nervous. I saw on YLE TV1 news about a week ago that the number of people in the unemployment database is only in the hundreds and that employers just cannot find people to fill the jobs here. They went on to say that Immigration Laws will have to be looked at and overhauled to get foreigners in to work. So what gives with all of the difficulty I see here in people finding work?? Thank you everyone in advance for your responses.
(-Graham, 29, with my lowly B.S. in Pharmaceutical Marketing and Management)
(-Graham, 29, with my lowly B.S. in Pharmaceutical Marketing and Management)
Unfortunately that's the truth for the average foreigner without special skills.WHY IS THERE SUCH A NEGATIVE OUTLOOK HERE FOR FOREIGNERS FINDING JOBS?
Good to realize it is not easy here. Better have a plan B.You guys are making me nervous
Unemployment for Finns = 5%I saw on YLE TV1 news about a week ago that the number of people in the unemployment database is only in the hundreds and that employers just cannot find people to fill the jobs here.
Unemployment for foreigners is 20%
Foreigners rarely speak fluent Finnish.So what gives with all of the difficulty I see here in people finding work??
It's certain skills that are needed, not just manpower. The best chances to find a job nowadays even without profound Finnish skills (or none at all) (and for someone who behaves like a foreign) is something like plumbing, construction, carpenter and stuff like that. For your note: quite a few foreigners contribute to the negative responses when it comes to foreigners finding a job. Good luck, anyways!
The dire shortage is not so much a reality NOW as in the next few years, There are still more Finns leaving the country than foreigners arriving. The birth rate has increased (1000 more babies this year versus last year, thank you Sara et al...) but is still low. The baby boomers are starting to retire now (Finland's baby boom happened earlier than in most of western Europe). There is some room for productivity improvements but not much. The other shift is from a manufacturing economy to a service sector economy which is typically more labour intensive. The cumulative impact of all these factors will soon take its toll. These changes don't happen over night but the economists are following the trends and their pleas for an influx of immigrant labour are based on their forecasts rather than the current state of the labour market.hychamaz wrote:Then why would it be headline news that Immigration laws have to be seriously looked at since there are just not enough Finns to fill the abundance of jobs?
Re: Very confused as to all of the negativity here on jobs
Hahaha, never has a certificate been better namedhychamaz wrote:...B.S. in...Marketing...
Only joking Well, in IT business at least, a hell of a lot of jobs have been outsourced/offshored in part because of price but also IMO due to availability of enough resources here to do the job (it will backfire, due to quality issues, but that is just my own personal opinion, and somewhat off-topic
)When it comes to finding work here, some people just seem to have the knack, and some don't, even when apparently doing the right things. It is much better to have something arranged before you get here, if you can. If you end up without work for a significant amount of time you will go stir crazy here, even with HBS to keep you warm.
Paul
Then, you can tell us why all the negativity....I have lived in other countries while not working and l have always been asked if l was looking for a job.....nothing special mind but usually the person knew someone who needed a reliable employee. I have never had this happen in Finland in two years desipte the fact l have lots of free time here and know a reasonable number of people.
If l were you l'd have a plan a,b,c, and d.
But good luck
If l were you l'd have a plan a,b,c, and d.
But good luck
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Re: Very confused as to all of the negativity here on jobs
Why, just go check it out yourself. http://www.mol.fihychamaz wrote:I saw on YLE TV1 news about a week ago that the number of people in the unemployment database is only in the hundreds and that employers just cannot find people to fill the jobs here.
Järvenpää is such a boomtown. You reckon the fishmonger is your line? of the English adverts... engineers get their chances, and even aCattle tender/cow woman, so polish your cv...
Cheers, Hank W.
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My company really is facing difficult times to employ people. Out of 100 applicants for each position, maybe 10 are Finns.
In the last week we have employed one Chilean, one Spaniard and one Dutchman, none have Finnish.
In my area at least there is a real problem getting good people into the positions, and Finnish is becoming less af a requirement as the job market gets tighter.
Of course this can be looked at two ways; first is that there are positions for foreigners with no Finnish, second that there are way more foreigners looking for positions than Finns.
In summary, it is not all gloom and doom; but you should prepare yourself well (have a fund of money to last you for some months) and be prepared for a long search (which is depressing and hits your self confidence) and often lower position and less wages than you would command in some other countries.
By the way, we rarely offer jobs to foreigners living outside Finland because we have plenty of applications from foreigners living inside Finland, and it is less trouble (and yes I appreciate that it might be a good thing not to move without a job, but it is reality).
Happy hunting!
In the last week we have employed one Chilean, one Spaniard and one Dutchman, none have Finnish.
In my area at least there is a real problem getting good people into the positions, and Finnish is becoming less af a requirement as the job market gets tighter.
Of course this can be looked at two ways; first is that there are positions for foreigners with no Finnish, second that there are way more foreigners looking for positions than Finns.
In summary, it is not all gloom and doom; but you should prepare yourself well (have a fund of money to last you for some months) and be prepared for a long search (which is depressing and hits your self confidence) and often lower position and less wages than you would command in some other countries.
By the way, we rarely offer jobs to foreigners living outside Finland because we have plenty of applications from foreigners living inside Finland, and it is less trouble (and yes I appreciate that it might be a good thing not to move without a job, but it is reality).
Happy hunting!
With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.
Not that I right now am really hunting, but out of curiousity and interest on behalf of relatives, I can not but ask:Mölkky-Fan wrote:My company really is facing difficult times to employ people. Out of 100 applicants for each position, maybe 10 are Finns.
In the last week we have employed one Chilean, one Spaniard and one Dutchman, none have Finnish.
In my area at least there is a real problem getting good people into the positions, and Finnish is becoming less af a requirement as the job market gets tighter.
What business is your company in?
Re: Very confused as to all of the negativity here on jobs
My 2 cents: It's not all negative. It took me two weeks to get two nice job offers in IT after my temporary contract ended. I don't consider myself lucky, it took me years to learn how to "sell" myself (prepare well for interviews, polish my CV, show enthusiasm to potential employers, speak very good English). It is probably more difficult if you don't have any or much job search experience. I used to work as a freelancer - I had to look for customers and advertise my services. That helped A LOT.