Negative and more NEGATIVE ...

[JaDLB]

and they us the immigrants complain and nag too much , have you seen urselves here , how you spooking all the damn people eveytime they ask for jobs in here.

come on get a grip on urself guys . finland is not that hard and for many it can be quiet lucky .

been here for a year and a have a damn good job ! and i know many that started from scratch and now they have a heck of a good positions or jobs.

so please the one who are coming to this forum looking for a job i really advice u to start looking elsewhere , finland is a virgin market lots of potentials and ideas can be done here. its just complicated if you dont speak finnish but it shouldn.t stop anyone . it didn't stop me.

and to all the negative people that are mocking the rest , please take a look at your dear finland . it's getting old , you need skilled immigrant to drive ur tram and clean ur roads in the snow . and clean ur beloved shops so you can go in the morning to shop and have ur coffee. try to be a bit more positive toward job seekers , there are many jobs here.

[allan]

JaDLB, your right there are opportunties for people here. Depending on the country you are leaving and the opportunities/standard of living at home then it might seem very very attractive. However l think it is fair to say if your from western europe, north america, or austrailasia you'll find less opportuities than are available at home....especially until your fluent in Finnish.

[rinso]

I hope this is not going to develop into another "positive thinking" discussion.

[Tiwaz]

and they us the immigrants complain and nag too much , have you seen urselves here , how you spooking all the damn people eveytime they ask for jobs in here.

come on get a grip on urself guys . finland is not that hard and for many it can be quiet lucky .

been here for a year and a have a damn good job ! and i know many that started from scratch and now they have a heck of a good positions or jobs.

so please the one who are coming to this forum looking for a job i really advice u to start looking elsewhere , finland is a virgin market lots of potentials and ideas can be done here. its just complicated if you dont speak finnish but it shouldn.t stop anyone . it didn't stop me.

and to all the negative people that are mocking the rest , please take a look at your dear finland . it's getting old , you need skilled immigrant to drive ur tram and clean ur roads in the snow . and clean ur beloved shops so you can go in the morning to shop and have ur coffee. try to be a bit more positive toward job seekers , there are many jobs here.

And how many besides those stunning successes you listed end up depressed because they did not understand that despite finns speaking english, it is not official language and very few are willing to employ someone who does not speak local language?


Some will always succeed, but one must never forget that for each that makes stunning breakthrough without apparent effort there are dozen or more of those who just appear to be beating their head into brick wall.

[Hank W.]

www.mol.fi
=> 494 job adverts with the word "the" in them.
=> jobs in Engineering and IT mostly
=> several dozen jobs in the Nowheremäkis for English teachers (though I'd say part-time for someone with a TMI)

Now the reality of finding a job - for example "hotel work" theres one advert to Inari. There is one job for a horsegroom in Espoo... which isn't that much better on the Finnish only side. So if your profession is not on the "wanted" list - you're not wanted. And if you live in a Nowheremäki where theres no jobs - you're wanted even less. As easy as that. Regardless of the language.

[Karhunkoski]

And if you live in a Nowheremäki where theres no jobs - you're wanted even less. As easy as that. Regardless of the language.

Living in nowheremäki can also work in your favour, if you have the right skills you can become a sought-after asset (as everyone else moved to Hellsinki )

But I agree with Tizwas, cream always rises to the top.

[Hank W.]

Living in nowheremäki can also work in your favour, if you have the right skills you can become a sought-after asset (as everyone else moved to Hellsinki.

True, if you look at those jobs very many of those specialist niche jobs, like the one welder and the CNC machine repairman are in Nowheremäki - but if you just move to Nowheremäki and expect your arse to radiate a golden glow - it might be some other Nowheremäki where they'd want you.

[Megstertex]

The demand is there. It isn't posted on Mol. fi. It's often word of mouth, and they only have to post it on Mol for a few days, usually, they've already got someone in mind for the position. The reality is that many employers here are stubborn, and resistant to change, but the wave is coming, and they won't be able to be so picky forever by hiring someone that they ''know''.

They may tell you, ''I'm afraid this is impossible'' and try to shut you down 500 different ways, but these people think small and haven't seen how motivated and what amazing work ethics many foreigners have. (Hint: who's the last person in a welfare state you have met that is afraid of their family starving and having no medical care? It is people that come from this background that are willing to work really hard and do what it takes so that they survive.) It isn't easy, but if you are flexible and creative, and make some Finnish connections, show that you are willing to work harder and do things that most Finns wouldn't, that is the best way to get your foot in the door. And then, it gets a lot easier from there.

You will certainly be paid less than the locals with their local qualifications, and it's not always fair, but that's the way it is if you want to make it here.

[Karhunkoski]

it might be some other Nowheremäki where they'd want you.

Now that is true

and expect your arse to radiate a golden glow

But you have to remember Hank, some of these "gilt arsed foreigners" had gilt arses in their home country too.....

[Hank W.]

Megastertex is extremely right on it is not "what you know" as much as "who you know". The job/application/interview process is so much work, that it is much easier to hire via the kitchen door. Like my boss comes and asks "do you know anybody who..." - Yeah, but he's an £$€¤%& ..." nope, might put out some feelers though." It works even more directly in "shop" jobs like say a garage... getting the "good guy" recommendation from someone who knows someone is more essential than being able to speak or weld. But if you think your arse radiates, by all means go knocking doors alone... *networking* is the key. Which means blatant nepotism.

[debonaire]

The demand is there. It isn't posted on Mol. fi. It's often word of mouth, and they only have to post it on Mol for a few days, usually, they've already got someone in mind for the position. The reality is that many employers here are stubborn, and resistant to change, but the wave is coming, and they won't be able to be so picky forever by hiring someone that they ''know''.

They may tell you, ''I'm afraid this is impossible'' and try to shut you down 500 different ways, but these people think small and haven't seen how motivated and what amazing work ethics many foreigners have. (Hint: who's the last person in a welfare state you have met that is afraid of their family starving and having no medical care? It is people that come from this background that are willing to work really hard and do what it takes so that they survive.) It isn't easy, but if you are flexible and creative, and make some Finnish connections, show that you are willing to work harder and do things that most Finns wouldn't, that is the best way to get your foot in the door. And then, it gets a lot easier from there.

You will certainly be paid less than the locals with their local qualifications, and it's not always fair, but that's the way it is if you want to make it here.

Well said...spot on target...

been here for a year and a have a damn good job ! and i know many that started from scratch and now they have a heck of a good positions or jobs.

[Karhunkoski]

I think we all have to agree that networking is the way it's done here in Finland. It doesn't matter how skilled or unskilled the person is, in Finnish eyes they are an "unknown" and not to be trusted. If they are a foreigner then it's a much bigger risk, often the view is, "we will put effort in to training this guy, then he will probably just bugger off home after a year or so". This stems from the lack of self esteem thing, Finns just cannot believe that anyone would actually want to live here in Finland.

Me? I love it!


(It is a stark contrast to the UK, where I've heard a native say to foreigner, "are you happy you were allowed to come and live here?", in a very arrogant and condescending (alentuva) tone )

[shrecher]

It doesn't matter how skilled or unskilled the person is, in Finnish eyes they are an "unknown" and not to be trusted.

very untrue.

If you have good education, good experience in your home country and don't demand very high entry salary then no problem to find job here. BUT if you just fresh grad, unlikelly you get a dream job here.

I know number of peoples from St. Petersburg who found good, and finally, very well paid job in Finland. I also know few companies in Finland who will be glad to hire foreigns (i.e. flander.com), but unfortunately, people simply don't come here. Mostly because of cold climate and very low salaries.

[interleukin]

And how is a job at flander.com, a software testing company according to the webpage, not a niche job?

Try asking people who are not engineers or software people, and THEN see if they can get any jobs in Finland.

[shrecher]

And how is a job at flander.com, a software testing company according to the webpage, not a niche job?

Try asking people who are not engineers or software people, and THEN see if they can get any jobs in Finland.

construction worker, builder? Bus driver? lähihoitoja?