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Question of apply for master

Post by blueflyingsnow » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:12 pm

Hei kaikkille! :)

I'm a foreign student now studying in Finland, I want to apply for master degree after my graduation. I find information that we have to get at least 3 years' working experience related to the field of our study (i.e. I'm studying business so I have to have work experiences of Business management, dish washing is not acceptable :P ). Could anyone tell me that is that true at all regions in Finland? :ohno: And it sounds not practical to some extent, since competition is tense at the moment even among Finns, without high diploma, working experiences, expertise and Finnish anguage, I could hardly imagine I could find a job concerning that. If we really have to poss 3 years' working experiences, could you give me some advice that how could we get possible jobs?

Thank you very much! :D



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Re: Question of apply for master

Post by Seraba » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:23 pm

Hello there :)
Sorry unfortunately I'm not the right person who can give you some information, but i was wondering what you are studying right now.
I guess International business? If so, in which ammattikorkeakoulu?
You know, I'm an Italian student and I'd be interested in applying to some AMKs next spring :)

Byebye and thanks for replying.
Good luck :)))


Ps: still a question :DD Where are you from?
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Re: Question of apply for master

Post by Pursuivant » Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:21 am

blueflyingsnow wrote:Could anyone tell me that is that true at all regions in Finland?
Do you think we let standars down in the boonies?
blueflyingsnow wrote:And it sounds not practical to some extent, since competition is tense at the moment even among Finns, without high diploma, working experiences, expertise and Finnish anguage, I could hardly imagine I could find a job concerning that.
Exactly, its a competition. So its very practical in weeding out dishwashers before we waste the money in their education.
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Re: Question of apply for master

Post by blueflyingsnow » Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:33 pm

Seraba wrote:Hello there :)
Sorry unfortunately I'm not the right person who can give you some information, but i was wondering what you are studying right now.
I guess International business? If so, in which ammattikorkeakoulu?
Hi Seraba!
You're quite right! I'm from China and indeed I'm studying business in KTAMK. :P
I hope there's some Finns could give some useful information for us.

Thank you for reply! Have a nice day! :wink:

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Re: Question of apply for master

Post by Pursuivant » Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:25 pm

Yes well polytechnichs are universities of applied science, so there is a requirement to apply your science before you go in to study a masters degree.
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Re: Question of apply for master

Post by sammy » Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:19 am

blueflyingsnow wrote:I want to apply for master degree after my graduation. I find information that we have to get at least 3 years' working experience related to the field of our study
This is true, if you are applying to the Master's programmes offered by the UAS's (polytechnics). All the UAS Master's programmes have this 3-year work experience requirement... their Master's are, after all, primarily targeted for those already in the working life.

When applying to Master's programmes offered by the universities, it is a different thing. Work experience is not generally speaking necessary. The tricky bit however may be that the university may not consider a Bachelor's from an UAS to be "equivalent" to a Bachelor's from a university - so even if you can maybe apply to some university Master's programmes, it may for example mean that you need to do some bridging studies if you are accepted as a Master's student. This procedure varies so you need to check from the university offering the Master's. For example, IIRC the HSE has a separate admissions group for those applicants holding a BBA (tradenomi) degree from a Finnish UAS.

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Re: Question of apply for master

Post by Solty » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:13 pm

Well, everything depends to which particular university and master programme u want to apply. For example, as it was mentioned earlier, if u want to get master degree from AMK, then you have to have 3 years of work experience in ur field. However, for example, if applying to international business master program in university, u do not need to have work experience. All they count is your transcript of records, motivation letter and recommendations. At least that's what I've sent this year when applying to master programme in Oulu University after finishing OAMK.

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Re: Question of apply for master

Post by Vesper » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:15 pm

sammy wrote:The tricky bit however may be that the university may not consider a Bachelor's from an UAS to be "equivalent" to a Bachelor's from a university
really? is the UAS degree valued less than University degree in Finland? I've been wondering about that.
And whether all degrees earned in Finland are valued more than foreign University degrees?

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Re: Question of apply for master

Post by sammy » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:33 am

Vesper wrote:really? is the UAS degree valued less than University degree in Finland? I've been wondering about that.
If we look at it from an academic point of view, ie postgraduate study opportunities, it's not so much a question of valuing the degree (or depends on what you mean by the term) as a question of what the degrees consist of. You see, the universities and polytechnics are two separate sectors of higher education - the first offering higher academic education and the other higher vocational education. This is how the Ministry pages put it
The mission of universities is to conduct scientific research and provide instruction and postgraduate education based on it. Polytechnics train professionals in response to labour market needs and conduct R&D which supports instruction and promotes regional development in particular.
Also if you look at the programmes the two sectors offer, they do not overlap very much - exceptions however include e.g. the engineering programmes and business. You can't study nursing at universities, and you can't become a school teacher if you study at an UAS (although they do have programmes for vocational school teachers)... and so on.

Regarding busines studies, I seem to recollect that in this "common" field the Bachelor's level at the universities (and schools of economics) goes deeper in the theoretical academia than the BBA programmes at the UAS's; in other words they may be on a somewhat different level academically speaking. But this does not mean that an UAS degree would somehow be by definition inferior IMO, I mean, whether you apply for studies at vocational higher education, or "traditional" academic university education... well isn't it a question of your own choice and interests, of what kind of a degree you want?

This whole "value" question is sort of absurd since it depends on whom you ask. Some people may frown at UAS degrees, while others sneer at pretentious high-brow academia lurking in dusty university corridors. Go figure.

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Re: Question of apply for master

Post by raamv » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:14 pm

Well generally,in the engineering side, Both the ammattikorkeakoulu and teknikikorkeakoulu both dont get too much into the business side of education in both bachelors and masters.
their sole focus is the Technology side..
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