non EU apply working permit from finland (from student visa)

Dibby · Post by **Dibby** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:12 am

I know the question has been posted hundred times, but I am still not satisfied with the answer I found in this forum. So I hope some of you would be so kind to provide me some advises.
I come to Finland with a student visa to take clinical practices in hospital. 2 months ago, I am engaged to a EU with a permanent resident permit (6 years of relationship). but recently,I am thinking to look for a job 1st and make sure i can work here before I get married as I don't want ANYBODY to think that i take advantage of him.
I got information from valvira that to get my degree accepted here i would need to take 3 examinations, and prior to the 1st examination, i would need a certificate of finnish (level 2) and 6 months working as ammanuensi in state hospital. I am currently learning finnish. and a doctor gave me a recommendation to work as nuorempi ammanuensi. so I got a job offer in a small town for 1 month ( a trial period- after the 1st 2 weeks of working, the hospital would decide if they want to prolong me or not). I already applied for working permit in the local police (not Helsinki). but today i found in this forum that some people have to wait for 3-6 months here only to get their applications rejected. then they would have to apply again in their home country, and they also got rejection.
my questions are:
1. so do you think i should go to police office and cancel my application and apply from my home country? would the chance to be rejected is smaller?
2. another problem is that in the job contract I am supposed to work in May, I already applied it since last month, but i read somewhere in this forum that it would take at least 3 months to finish the process. if in May i haven't got any answer, do you think I would need to ask for a new job contract in june or july and then re-apply?or do you think i can ask them to include it in my old application. Thank you very much for the help

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Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:44 pm

Well those people who are told to "go home and apply" usually just popped here without a "reason to apply here" on a visa. You have a valid student RP so you have a "reason" to apply from here. As for the time - well... depends.

Dibby · Post by **Dibby** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:11 pm

i don't know..i hope so. I am a bit pessimistic

thanx for your time and answer

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:25 pm

One aspect that comes to my mind is that the student permit allows you to work under three conditions A) it's less then 25 hours/week OR B) it is during recess periods OR C) it is training that is essential part of the studies themselves.

Have you checked would by any chance C apply here, by contacting Migri by phone or email?

(anyway, you do have valid reason to be here and apply here, though the waiting times can be highly frustrating)

Dibby · Post by **Dibby** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:40 pm

thanx for your answer Rip, that is sooo encouraging... but unfortunately :
a. my working hours is more than 25 hour/week
b. what is recess period?? sorry, i don't really understand. is that the 3-month period after i got my degree in Finland? well then, i am not eligible for this at all
c. i am aware that there's a chance that i can apply for internship visa. i tried to ask in the local police office in Kuopio but the police (who asked another more senior police) answered that i must apply for working permit and NOT internship visa. i thought that i need only to apply for internship visa for ammanuensi position. but anyway, i already submitted my application along with the job contract to the police office, do you think it is still worth asking migri? do you think if the migri has different opinion, i can go to police and change the application?and do you have suggestion whether i should ask the hospital for a new job contract stating i can work in June (if until May my visa is not yet issued)?

i know i am supposed to ask earlier about this topic. it was a mistake to be sooo happy to get a job and submitted the application directly before checking here. i thought applying as soon as possible might save some days of visa process

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:03 pm

Dibby wrote:b. what is recess period?? sorry, i don't really understand.

In Finland, and probably almost everywhere, you don't go to school 52 weeks a year. There are times when you are supposed to have a holiday or work or pick your nose. Thus during those times you don't have the limit of 25h/week of work, as then working more hours doesn't hinder your studies.

Dibby wrote:do you think it is still worth asking migri? do you think if the migri has different opinion, i can go to police and change the application?and do you have suggestion whether i should ask the hospital for a new job contract stating i can work in June (if until May my visa is not yet issued)?

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Dibby · Post by **Dibby** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:23 pm

thanx for your help Upphew, but mm.. if i get your link correctly, it means that i have to graduate from finnish higher education while in fact, i came here as an exchange student for clinical practice, so i don't graduate here.
about recess period, perhaps it is only in 4-season countries? at least in my country, we have total almost 2 months holiday a year as semester breaks but i already started the clinical years so i am not sure i have the same holiday. even here, the holiday of clinical students are not the same with the students that still take courses in university. our holiday is much much shorter.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:45 pm

Dibby wrote: it was a mistake to be sooo happy to get a job and submitted the application directly before checking here. i thought applying as soon as possible might save some days of visa process

Generally, I do not think that is a bad idea. I do not see what would be the problem if you ask write an email to migri, explaining the essentials of your situation and ask if you actually need at this point a residence permit for an employed person. (keep the terminology straight, here a 'visa' is for visitors and 'residence permit' for longer stays, including work and studies).

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:44 am

b. what is recess period??

Summer holiday (2 - 3 months)

a. my working hours is more than 25 hour/week

That would jeopardise your students visa.

Dibby · Post by **Dibby** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:51 pm

Generally, I do not think that is a bad idea. I do not see what would be the problem if you ask write an email to migri, explaining the essentials of your situation and ask if you actually need at this point a residence permit for an employed person. (keep the terminology straight, here a 'visa' is for visitors and 'residence permit' for longer stays, including work and studies)

Thanx Rip, I would try to do so..I'll post you their answer soon

That would jeopardise your students visa.

yes, Rinso. That's why i decide to wait for working permit before i start working

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:54 pm

Upphew wrote: In Finland, and probably almost everywhere, you don't go to school 52 weeks a year.

Well, you don't go to work 52 weeks either as you can deduct travel expenses only for 48 weeks.

Dibby · Post by **Dibby** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:23 am

as I haven't got any mail from the police at the 28th of April (while i should start working next week), i just told the situation to my employee and went to police office. 1st, they checked in computer and said that my apllication wasn't finished. but i wanted to know where it was, i mean, whether it was already in labour office and mentioned that perhaps the hospital could call the labour office if she would give me phone numbers. then she went somewhere to check, then came back with my application. apparently it was already answered by the labour office, some days ago. but they were very busy lately.. so they said i could came back at 3 pm to collect my working permit

tips: be faithfully devoted to visit the police office instead of waiting in home, especially if you are in big hurry

and ask very detail info about the progress

I wonder what i should do after getting working permit and whether i can do it in 2 days??? (i supposed to start working next week)

THANKS guys for giving helpful comments

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:02 pm

Well, you go with your permit & work contract to the tax office and get your self a tax card. I suppose you already have an ID number? They'll take care of that in the tax office, just takes a few days more... and then you also need to go to a bank and open an account unless you already have one as well. Apart from that I guess its watching a few episodes of "House" to get your bedside manners up to par

Dibby · Post by **Dibby** » Sat May 08, 2010 12:37 am

Thanks Pursuivant!!

going to do that except from watching House episodes..already did that to learn finnish vocabs (by looking at the subtitles) which didn't work because i was way concentrating too much on the story. Already had my 1st week at work.. people are nice, only their dialects drive me crazy (makes it harder for me to understand finnish- not that i speak finnish that good as a start)

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