Is there a need for my profession?

[Nage]

So I'm a student of philosophy and theology (layman), I have one year left. After that I plan on getting a masters from psychoanalysis and move to finland. Maybe even study in finland something else. In the meantime, I'm studying the language. So my question is, can I get a job with my profession? Or am I completely useless?

(ok I know that finland is not craving for philosophers, but I just wonder if you are more applied sciences kind of people or you also have space for social ones)


Thanks.

[Pursuivant]

What exactly you are claiming to be your "profession"? I see none there.

[Nage]

Well I can teach philosphy in high school, ethics in elementary school, or some other subjects related.

With theology I can work in some kind of rehabilitation center or something.

Philosophy and theology combo can also work as a journalist I heard. I don't know how excactly is it working there, that's why I'm asking.

[Pursuivant]

Well I can teach philosphy in high school, ethics in elementary school, or some other subjects related.

Well, no you can't. You need to have a masters in the subject you teach and teachers degree as well. Add to that for finding a job which language you teach in.

With theology I can work in some kind of rehabilitation center or something.

Ummm... with Slovenian gyppos??? Or whats that flag from?

Philosophy and theology combo can also work as a journalist I heard.

Yeah, sure, as if Finland needs another stupid whining "highly entertained" foreigner who writes articles how bad and racist place this is even he speaks no language and has an useless degree. You're all set for that - apply for Helsinki Times.

I don't know how excactly is it working there, that's why I'm asking.

Yeah, me too...

[Nage]

Look man, I don't know what your problem is, but it ain't mine, so go be gay somewhere else.

[sammy]

Pursuivant is not really evil (or gay), at the heart of hearts he's just a marshmallowy, Piglet-y type of creature

But he is essentially right, you know. To be a subject teacher in a Finnish school, you "need" a Master's degree including pedagogical studies - and in your particular field of expertise, you'd need phenomenally good Finnish language skills (for a non-native) to go into teaching. It takes a bit more extensive vocabulary skills than asking the way to the nearest beach, if you wish to present the basic tenets of existentialism to your pupils (unless you start with Camus, in which case you only need an Arab and you're halfway there ). So do not be offended please if I also say your plan for finding a JOB as a philosophy/theology teacher sounds a bit far-fetched, at least for the moment.

If you can translate the above into Finnish without as much as batting an eyelid, then you might be on safer ground.

[Pursuivant]

Look man, I don't know what your problem is, but it ain't mine, so go be gay somewhere else.

Coming from a follower of classical greek arsebandits, thats pretty rife, even from a philosopher from a country whose biggest gift to us so far has been wailing songs of how your sheep got lost in the mountains, accompanied by a reed flute on the Eurovison.

[sammy]

Fecking Greeks

[Nage]

Pursuivant is not really evil (or gay), at the heart of hearts he's just a marshmallowy, Piglet-y type of creature

But he is essentially right, you know. To be a subject teacher in a Finnish school, you "need" a Master's degree including pedagogical studies - and in your particular field of expertise, you'd need phenomenally good Finnish language skills (for a non-native) to go into teaching. It takes a bit more extensive vocabulary skills than asking the way to the nearest beach, if you wish to present the basic tenets of existentialism to your pupils (unless you start with Camus, in which case you only need an Arab and you're halfway there ). So do not be offended please if I also say your plan for finding a JOB as a philosophy/theology teacher sounds a bit far-fetched, at least for the moment.

If you can translate the above into Finnish without as much as batting an eyelid, then you might be on safer ground.

I don't know if you have this kind of system in Finland, but here you can pick pedagogic specialization - which I signed. So before you sign to college you pick pedagogic or non-pedagogic subject. In Slovenia after you graduate with pedagogic specialization, you can immediately work as a teacher in elementary and high school, if you want to teach in college you need doctorate.

As it regards the language, I already stated that I am taking classes and obviously I intend on polishing it for next years, until I finish my education, and even then I can come to Finland and do some other kind of work, until I can speak good enough to work as a teacher.

As I said before, teaching may not be the only option and I still have an opening in my masters, so before I pick something I would like to take in account my interest and interest of the country I am moving to. There are a lot of possible ways for my masters and I have great interest in lot of them, so I was actually hoping someone here might help me with an idea - and not to act like a teenager who got pissed because some philosopher from Slovenia wants to move to his country and write articles for Helsinki Times.

[Pursuivant]

I don't know if you have this kind of system in Finland, but here you can pick pedagogic specialization - which I signed. So before you sign to college you pick pedagogic or non-pedagogic subject. In Slovenia after you graduate with pedagogic specialization, you can immediately work as a teacher in elementary and high school, if you want to teach in college you need doctorate.

Yes but this is not Slovenia sunshine.

and not to act like a teenager who got pissed because some philosopher from Slovenia

I thought calling each other gay was a pre-teen thing in school. We got a lot of those philosophers here, they're Romanian tho.

[sammy]

Hmm - the expression "help" here is a bit ambiguous - do you mean, please say "yes, I've got a job for you"?

Anyway here's the first thing - do get familiar with the qualification recognition issue: http://www.oph.fi/recognition - they'll be able to tell you what your qualifications are good for, and how to go about it.

The big thing however is the language, as long as we're discussing this in English it's kind of hard to say whether your plan really is realistic... it's possible, no-one's denying that. But it can be tricky - and a long thorny road.

[Nage]

I don't know if you have this kind of system in Finland, but here you can pick pedagogic specialization - which I signed. So before you sign to college you pick pedagogic or non-pedagogic subject. In Slovenia after you graduate with pedagogic specialization, you can immediately work as a teacher in elementary and high school, if you want to teach in college you need doctorate.

Yes but this is not Slovenia sunshine.

and not to act like a teenager who got pissed because some philosopher from Slovenia

I thought calling each other gay was a pre-teen thing in school. We got a lot of those philosophers here, they're Romanian tho.

Which part of the sentence "go be gay somewhere else" escaped your comprehension? Come on, you're judging a country based on what you saw on Eurovision? Luckily enough I already was in Finland so I know that "intellectual jewels" like you are in minority.

[Nage]

Hmm - the expression "help" here is a bit ambiguous - do you mean, please say "yes, I've got a job for you"?

Anyway here's the first thing - do get familiar with the qualification recognition issue: http://www.oph.fi/recognition - they'll be able to tell you what your qualifications are good for, and how to go about it.

The big thing however is the language, as long as we're discussing this in English it's kind of hard to say whether your plan really is realistic... it's possible, no-one's denying that. But it can be tricky - and a long thorny road.

No, maybe a suggestion in which direction to specialize. Thanks for the link, I will look into it!

Regarding the language, I really like it. It was the most beautiful thing I ever heard. I already spent some time in Finland - I had a gf there, and she was surprised how quickly I learned some basics - I'm not saying I'm a genius, I just believe that if you really like a language, you can learn it faster than otherwise. If I would to start learning, let's say German, it would take me 5 years just to order a hamburger in McDonalds. Besides, that plan is for 5 years from now, and I know it takes a lot of effort, all I can do is try my best, which I intend to do. Long thorny road is also one of my motives. I could get a normal job here, get a family etc. But there is no excitement in that, I want to learn new language and go live somewhere else completely different from here (well I also happen to like just about everything in Finland that I do here).

[Pursuivant]

Which part of the sentence "go be gay somewhere else" escaped your comprehension?

Seems lay theologians are the same all across EU; other job for you is a Kristillisdemokraatit politician.

[Nage]

Which part of the sentence "go be gay somewhere else" escaped your comprehension?

Seems lay theologians are the same all across EU; other job for you is a Kristillisdemokraatit politician.

What happened to the other part of the post that escaped your quote? In this whole thread you just tend to avoid all reasonable conversation and focus on insults, I really didn't come here for that, so, would you mind leaving?