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Who can tell me something about the use of schoolbooks in Fi

Post by Nicoline » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:54 pm

Dear all,

I am currently performing a comparative study of educational systems across Europe with a focus on the use of schoolbooks. I am primarily interested in understanding how schoolbooks are being used and how they are distributed. I tried contacting different governmental bodies, but up till now, without response, that's why I'm posting the help-question on this forum...
Who can and will help me gather some info? You would help me a lot! :D

Here are some questions:
books and education system
1. How many schoolbooks per year does a pupil need regarding textbooks and workbooks? (primary and secondary school)
2. What is the average price of new textbooks? And of workbooks? I know that the government pays for all the books, but any idea how the government buy the books and deliver them?

Decision making
1. Who decides what books will be used? (teacher/head of department/school management/ government) Is it the same for primary and secondary education?
2. How often do schools/teachers change methods, with order words: how many years are schoolbooks being (re)used ? Who decides on the change (teachers or governmental bodies) and what are the reasons for change?

Needs
1. Do you know how the distribution of schoolbooks is managed at the moment and is there a need for change in this way? I mean by this: do pupils buy the books themselves by a bookstore and pay for the books, or do they get the books from school, or is there a distributor that delivers the books to the pupils, or…?
2. Do you think that there is a need for cheaper schoolbooks, or for a rental system of schoolbooks in some kind?

Thank you very much for your help!!! :thumbsup:
Kind regards from the Netherlands,
Nicoline
You can also contact me on my email: nicoline.nagtzaam@ormit.nl



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Post by Keravalainen » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:44 pm

Hi!

It seems like you should be far more specific on what exactly you are researching.

The education system in a country covers education from pre-school level to doctoral exams.
The first graders maybe have 1-2 books and on higher levels you may need 10 books. Also the system how these are purchased and sponsored varies according to the level of education.

Here's a scheme on how the Finnish Eduction system looks like:
http://www.minedu.fi/export/sites/defau ... cation.pdf

More information on education in Finland can certainly be found using Google on the Internet. :-)
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Post by Nicoline » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:25 pm

Thanks for the info! I'm looking for the amount and price of books for the ISCED levels 1 to 3, so for primary education and for lower secondary education.
I'm just wondering if the central government in Finland decides which books have to be used, or that schools or lower/local governments can choose that for themselves.
All info is welcome... :D

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Post by Upphew » Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:39 pm

Nicoline wrote:lower secondary education.
Does not exist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland
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Post by Rosamunda » Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:05 pm

My kids are currently in school in Finland. They have been through primary and secondary school. Two of them are now in upper secondary school (aka lukio) and one is in lower secondary school (aka yla-aste)
Nicoline wrote:
Here are some questions:
books and education system
1. How many schoolbooks per year does a pupil need regarding textbooks and workbooks? (primary and secondary school)
Depends. Some subjects require one coursebook for the whole year and other subjects require multiple books. For example, in maths in primary school there may be several books used in one academic year. In history, one book might be used for the whole year. So there is no answer to your question. It might be one per subject, it might be three or four per subject.
2. What is the average price of new textbooks? And of workbooks? I know that the government pays for all the books, but any idea how the government buy the books and deliver them?
The books are chosen and purchased by the schools from a central ordering system which is run by the local municipality.
I think the school purchases are VAT exempt and I guess they get bulk discount from the publishers. The price of a book varies considerably (how long is a piece of string) depending on the subject matter, the size of the book etc etc. Generally speaking, books that are published by Finnish publishers (eg WSOY, Edita, Otava) cost more than similar books in the UK, possibly because they are produced in smaller numbers (and in Finnish).
Decision making
1. Who decides what books will be used? (teacher/head of department/school management/ government) Is it the same for primary and secondary education?
Mostly the teachers. But once the books have been purchased they will be reused for several years so not all teachers get to use books they have personally chosen.
2. How often do schools/teachers change methods, with order words: how many years are schoolbooks being (re)used ? Who decides on the change (teachers or governmental bodies) and what are the reasons for change?
I think the answer here is: budget. Schools are limited by the budgets so they change books when they can afford to. As far as I know there have been no substantial changes to the National Core Curriculum in the past 3-4 years (since the new one was implemented). The teachers and the head-teachers (rehtori) would make the decisions based on their budgets. None of the books my children have been using have been drastically out of date. At a guess I would say that maths, physics, chemistry, history, language books get changed every 5-10 years.
Needs
1. Do you know how the distribution of schoolbooks is managed at the moment and is there a need for change in this way? I mean by this: do pupils buy the books themselves by a bookstore and pay for the books, or do they get the books from school, or is there a distributor that delivers the books to the pupils, or…?
The schools order the books and hand them out to students as and when they need them. The students hand the books back when they have finished with them. It works just fine :D The workbooks are usually for the students to keep since they write in them. Personally I find this an expensive method (the workbooks are often printed in colour on good quality paper) but I guess paper is one thing that is not in short supply in Finland :lol:
2. Do you think that there is a need for cheaper schoolbooks, or for a rental system of schoolbooks in some kind?
Yes and no. I think most teachers are moving towards paperless classrooms... my children's schools use smart boards in every classroom and (I guess) more and more digital supports. In my opinion the easiest way for a teacher to use low-cost and up-to-date materials is to go digital. In remote areas in Finland where distance learning is necessary for school children (eg in the archipelago and in Lapland) there are already substantial on-line materials available for teaching and learning.


Note: For upper secondary schools the system is quite different. The students usually have to buy their own books, though some schools do organise rental systems.

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Post by Nicoline » Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:39 am

Dear Penelope,

Thank you very much for the useful information!! It helps me a lot, as I did not recieve any answer from official institutes(yet)...!
I was just wondering: you said that the price of schoolbooks varies a lot, according to size, subjet matter etc. But could you give a crude estimate of the average price of a textbook in euro's: lower than 5, 5-10, 10-15, 15-20, 20-25, 25-30 or over 30 euro's.
And workbooks are to be kept by the pupils you wrote, any idea what they cost? Lower than 5, 5-10, 10-15, 15-20, 20-25, 25-30 or over 30 euro's.

I think you're totally right regarding the digital learning methods. It's cheaper and I believe that there is a transition from hardback books to digital. Especially in highly developed ICT countries like Finland.

Again, many thanks for your help and effort!
Kind regards,
Nicoline Nagtzaam
E: nicoline.nagtzaam@ormit.nl

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Post by Upphew » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:44 pm

Nicoline wrote:But could you give a crude estimate of the average price of a textbook in euro's: lower than 5, 5-10, 10-15, 15-20, 20-25, 25-30 or over 30 euro's.
And workbooks are to be kept by the pupils you wrote, any idea what they cost? Lower than 5, 5-10, 10-15, 15-20, 20-25, 25-30 or over 30 euro's.
http://www.tammi.fi/oppi/etusivu.php
Look out for "Sarjan osat ja hinnat" (volumes and prices for series). It's only one publisher, but I'd guess that the prices wouldn't differ dramatically from publisher to other. If you order hundreds of books, they might... but it'll give you some figure.
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Book prices (examples)

Post by Keplerinvaimo » Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:40 pm

I just had to replace two grade 5 textbooks - school property that will have to be returned at the end of the year :( .
One from WSOY 25 € for History and whopping 36 € for Äidinkieli ('mother tongue', i.e. Finnish grammer ).
4th grade it was maths books... @ approx 25 € each (A + B, first & 2nd half of the year).
Not particularly cheap. Of course no VAT exemption either.

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