The test would be in few weeks before I'm off to Israel.Anyone interested in taking the Mensa IQ test in Tampere?
Anyone interested in taking the Mensa IQ test in Tampere?
I got a request from one foreigner living in Tampere to be tested in English. But to arrange the test there should be more people than just one. I tried to offer a test in autumn that we had already planned, but apparently it would be too late. If there's someone who would want to take the test, send me a PM. Unfortunately I can't even give a discount. The test would be in few weeks before I'm off to Israel.
The test would be in few weeks before I'm off to Israel.
Hi.
I happened to go to Mensa test in Helsinki last Sunday. Even though I am quite ok with Finnish, you do not need the language skill to do the test in Finland. By the way I did some trials in English version in Internet and there were vocabulary questions in which I did not perform well.
Well back to the topic I was a bit upset about the test last Sunday. There were three test sessions in two hours. Each test session consists of four different tests. And each one of those tests consists of 10 to 16 questions.
As you may know all of the questions are picture puzzles. i.e. there are a series of pictures and you have to pick one picture which should follow the principle of the picture series.
What I was upset about was, that each test is limited to about 3 minutes (they did not tell beforehand how much time you had). That's not quite enough time for me to start ANALYZING the picture series. So all I had to do was by instinct pick the "seemingly" right picture and write x into the box.
All said, If high IQ means that you manage to analyze those pictures very fast and correctly, then I may be destined to stay at low IQ.
They will sending the results out in one to two months time.
masao
I happened to go to Mensa test in Helsinki last Sunday. Even though I am quite ok with Finnish, you do not need the language skill to do the test in Finland. By the way I did some trials in English version in Internet and there were vocabulary questions in which I did not perform well.
Well back to the topic I was a bit upset about the test last Sunday. There were three test sessions in two hours. Each test session consists of four different tests. And each one of those tests consists of 10 to 16 questions.
As you may know all of the questions are picture puzzles. i.e. there are a series of pictures and you have to pick one picture which should follow the principle of the picture series.
What I was upset about was, that each test is limited to about 3 minutes (they did not tell beforehand how much time you had). That's not quite enough time for me to start ANALYZING the picture series. So all I had to do was by instinct pick the "seemingly" right picture and write x into the box.
All said, If high IQ means that you manage to analyze those pictures very fast and correctly, then I may be destined to stay at low IQ.
They will sending the results out in one to two months time.
masao
That's true because you don't need any verbal skills in the actuall test. But you need to understand the instructions. Usually they are given in Finnish.masao wrote: Even though I am quite ok with Finnish, you do not need the language skill to do the test in Finland.
That's actually the point. Anyone could answer all the questions correctly if there wasn't a time limit. The Cattell & Cattell test is based on the idea that intelligence is also about how fast you can spot the patterns. But there isn't really much to worry about. Most people in Mensa didn't finish all the picture series in the test.Well back to the topic I was a bit upset about the test last Sunday. [...] What I was upset about was, that each test is limited to about 3 minutes (they did not tell beforehand how much time you had). That's not quite enough time for me to start ANALYZING the picture series. So all I had to do was by instinct pick the "seemingly" right picture and write x into the box.
All said, If high IQ means that you manage to analyze those pictures very fast and correctly, then I may be destined to stay at low IQ.
Why take a mensa test???????????????????
I cant think of a better way to waste time to prove nothing..nobody interested, except you and your own Igo.
When ever someone has offered up on their CV some reference to IQ test results or membership of Mensa to me...it has immediatley gone into the "Smart arsse big head.. big mouth ..sorry/reject folder!"
I cant think of a better way to waste time to prove nothing..nobody interested, except you and your own Igo.
When ever someone has offered up on their CV some reference to IQ test results or membership of Mensa to me...it has immediatley gone into the "Smart arsse big head.. big mouth ..sorry/reject folder!"
Why not? Some people are interested to know their IQ, some are not. There are many reasons to do it. I did it myself when I was 16 to find out "what was wrong with me". I also like personality tests etc. Many people have found it helpful. For some it has explained some things in their life, some have got more self-confidence from the test and maybe started to study something they always wanted, but were told they shouldn't even try because they're too stupid.PeterF wrote:Why take a mensa test???????????????????
Most Mensans don't put it in their CV, some don't even tell their friends and family! I wish all people (including Mensans) could take it as it is. Having an IQ above the average doesn't make anyone a better person, but I don't understand why people should hide it either. To be honest I wouldn't put my IQ or only membership in my CV because I don't really see myself applying for a job where it would matter that much. I also don't see paying the member fee as such a great achievement. However I do usually mention all the Mensa projects etc. which I have participated with all other voluntary work I've done. I think those have been a valuable work experience for me. If someone doesn't want to employ a Mensan, then it's not me they want. After all they might find it out in some local paper later on anyway.When ever someone has offered up on their CV some reference to IQ test results or membership of Mensa to me...it has immediatley gone into the "Smart arsse big head.. big mouth ..sorry/reject folder!"
Tiia wrote:Why not? Some people are interested to know their IQ, some are not. There are many reasons to do it. I did it myself when I was 16 to find out "what was wrong with me". I also like personality tests etc.PeterF wrote:Why take a mensa test???????????????????
Most Mensans don't put it in their CV, some don't even tell their friends and family! I wish all people (including Mensans) could take it as it is. Having an IQ above the average doesn't make anyone a better person,When ever someone has offered up on their CV some reference to IQ test results or membership of Mensa to me...it has immediatley gone into the "Smart arsse big head.. big mouth ..sorry/reject folder!"
If someone doesn't want to employ a Mensan, then it's not me they want.
OK I accept that as a valid reason..To know more about oneself..see my signature...
I did not say I would not want to employ a mensan..if it came out druing an interview I would probably be interested....But on a CV
One Mensan was once invited to an interview because he had it in his CV. Not that they had any intentions of offering the job, but they just wanted to see one with their own eyes!PeterF wrote:I did not say I would not want to employ a mensan..if it came out druing an interview I would probably be interested....But on a CV
Surely. if one is a member of Mensa one might mention it on the CV, in just the same way as a Round Table or Rotary club membership.
Just a small point; given that Mensa members are, by definition, only a very small part of the population, perhaps being rejected by an employing manager who felt that for some reason or other there was 'something wrong' with mentioning it would be no bad thing?
After all the job selection process is a two way street and I surely would not want to work for a boss, or in an environment, where an exceptional IQ was seen as a handicap...
Just a small point; given that Mensa members are, by definition, only a very small part of the population, perhaps being rejected by an employing manager who felt that for some reason or other there was 'something wrong' with mentioning it would be no bad thing?
After all the job selection process is a two way street and I surely would not want to work for a boss, or in an environment, where an exceptional IQ was seen as a handicap...
Not speaking for Peter, but myself, but maybe it's not a matter of thinking intelligence is a handicap, but just not wanting to employ people who brag about how intelligent they are.dusty_bin wrote:After all the job selection process is a two way street and I surely would not want to work for a boss, or in an environment, where an exceptional IQ was seen as a handicap...
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I'm not sure if it is the same for the Finnish chapter of MENSA, but im many countries there is a long list of approved tests. For instance, I qualified in the US based on GRE scores. I never joined as, like Peter says, it is purely an ego thing. It also means you're good at taking tests, which I am. My wife will tell you that despite this I am still a complete idiot. But, getting back to the test, if you aren't specifically looking for an IQ number, you can save a lot of money if you've taken another test in the past that MENSA approves of.
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When I was at school, we were given IQ tests at 7. I didn't score too highly, just average, but was consistently top of my class academically. The teachers couldn't work it out.
I think it's because I easily get bored by pointless tasks. Always hated things like crosswords and riddles.
I think having a high IQ just shows you that you're good at passing IQ tests.
I read a paper recently on the correlation of "success factors" with grade-point-average for MBA students. It included things like GPA in previous education and a load of other things I can't remember.
Funnily enough, the much vaunted GMAT test was bottom of the list in terms of correlation, virtually zero, being a very bad predictor of performance at business school. This is quite annoying, cos I did quite well on that
I think it's because I easily get bored by pointless tasks. Always hated things like crosswords and riddles.
I think having a high IQ just shows you that you're good at passing IQ tests.
I read a paper recently on the correlation of "success factors" with grade-point-average for MBA students. It included things like GPA in previous education and a load of other things I can't remember.
Funnily enough, the much vaunted GMAT test was bottom of the list in terms of correlation, virtually zero, being a very bad predictor of performance at business school. This is quite annoying, cos I did quite well on that
Bohica, it is not about bragging, unless, you also feel that a university degree, sporting achievements etc are also bragging...
Of course, in a cv we NEVER EVER tell people what we are good at do we?
If nothing else, IQ is a measure of how well we are able to THINK, intelligence, as measured by standard IQ tests is a good predictor of success in education and many professional fields and thus can be used, especially by those who do not have a great deal of education to enhance their job prospects.
You may choose to argue that IQ is an innate ability, which is why I chose to include education and sporting acheivements in my first sentence. Sporting excellence is an innate, albeit trainable, ability, just like intelligence. Most employers would not toss out an aplication from someone who put in their acheivements or interests portion of their CV that the applicant was a gold medallist at the Olympics, or a championship darts player.
It is of course true that some are afraid of those that they perceive as being significantly brighter than themselves, hence my point that putting Mensa membership on a CV is a good thing, on the basis I would not want to join a firm whose employess and managers were unsettled by somebody who excelled in a particular field and who would thus discriminate against them.
For myself I would much prefer to work with somebody who was demonstrably intelligent and both knew it and knew how to use it, than with a dunderhead who was neither of the foregoing, or an intelligent person who felt it better to hide their talents.
Of course, in a cv we NEVER EVER tell people what we are good at do we?
If nothing else, IQ is a measure of how well we are able to THINK, intelligence, as measured by standard IQ tests is a good predictor of success in education and many professional fields and thus can be used, especially by those who do not have a great deal of education to enhance their job prospects.
You may choose to argue that IQ is an innate ability, which is why I chose to include education and sporting acheivements in my first sentence. Sporting excellence is an innate, albeit trainable, ability, just like intelligence. Most employers would not toss out an aplication from someone who put in their acheivements or interests portion of their CV that the applicant was a gold medallist at the Olympics, or a championship darts player.
It is of course true that some are afraid of those that they perceive as being significantly brighter than themselves, hence my point that putting Mensa membership on a CV is a good thing, on the basis I would not want to join a firm whose employess and managers were unsettled by somebody who excelled in a particular field and who would thus discriminate against them.
For myself I would much prefer to work with somebody who was demonstrably intelligent and both knew it and knew how to use it, than with a dunderhead who was neither of the foregoing, or an intelligent person who felt it better to hide their talents.
GMAT does not measure intelligence.
There may be a correlation between a high GMAT score and measured IQ, I do not know, but there is CERTAINLY a correlation between measured IQ and university success.
Eric, you may choose to believe that you are dim, but frankly, dim people do not do well on IQ tests. Isn't it a shame that you feel it necessary to claim to be an 'idiot' in order to fit in with your chosen peers?
BTW, why should taking an IQ test, or even joining a club of your peers in that particular aspect of your makeup be an ego thing? For myself, one fo the greatest things about going to university late in life was the opportunity to interact with other people who were bright. It was a real breath of fresh air after a lifetime of working with 'average' people. I might well, in other circumstances, have chosen to join MENSA, or a similar organisation, had I like most people of my age, not been able to do what I have done. What I am reading in this thread is a degree of inverse snobbery from people, who by education, experince and training should know better.
You can not IIRC use old IQ test results, I think they have to be something like less than two years old and the alternatives, including psychological assesment usually cost money and usually much more than 30 Euro
There may be a correlation between a high GMAT score and measured IQ, I do not know, but there is CERTAINLY a correlation between measured IQ and university success.
Eric, you may choose to believe that you are dim, but frankly, dim people do not do well on IQ tests. Isn't it a shame that you feel it necessary to claim to be an 'idiot' in order to fit in with your chosen peers?
BTW, why should taking an IQ test, or even joining a club of your peers in that particular aspect of your makeup be an ego thing? For myself, one fo the greatest things about going to university late in life was the opportunity to interact with other people who were bright. It was a real breath of fresh air after a lifetime of working with 'average' people. I might well, in other circumstances, have chosen to join MENSA, or a similar organisation, had I like most people of my age, not been able to do what I have done. What I am reading in this thread is a degree of inverse snobbery from people, who by education, experince and training should know better.
You can not IIRC use old IQ test results, I think they have to be something like less than two years old and the alternatives, including psychological assesment usually cost money and usually much more than 30 Euro