Adding uus /yys or us/ys

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rio
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Adding uus /yys or us/ys

Post by rio » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:39 pm

I have a question about adding the ending uus/yys or us/ys to the words. The exercise on the attached image below explains that an adjective can be changed to a noun if we drop the last vowel and add uus/yys or just us/ys .
But I don't understand the given examples. For example, the word in first column is 'mahdollinen' which is first converted to 'mahdollise' and then the ending 'e' is removed and 'uus' is added.
I don't understand what form of word is 'mahdollise', how the word is converted from mahdollinen to mahdollise, and why is it converted before adding the ending? Why the ending 'uus' is not added to mahdollinen directly? If you can tell me the rule, (or some web page where I can learn more about it), it will be great.

Can all the adjectives be changed to noun or are there some specific adjectives which can be conevrted only?
Thanks for the help.

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Rob A.
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Re: Adding uus /yys or us/ys

Post by Rob A. » Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:56 am

rio wrote:I have a question about adding the ending uus/yys or us/ys to the words. The exercise on the attached image below explains that an adjective can be changed to a noun if we drop the last vowel and add uus/yys or just us/ys .
But I don't understand the given examples. For example, the word in first column is 'mahdollinen' which is first converted to 'mahdollise' and then the ending 'e' is removed and 'uus' is added.
I don't understand what form of word is 'mahdollise', how the word is converted from mahdollinen to mahdollise, and why is it converted before adding the ending? Why the ending 'uus' is not added to mahdollinen directly? If you can tell me the rule, (or some web page where I can learn more about it), it will be great.

Can all the adjectives be changed to noun or are there some specific adjectives which can be conevrted only?
Thanks for the help.
This might help a bit...around page 20:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=1nfnjhQ ... sh&f=false

mahdollise- is not actually a word, it's a stem...mahdollinen is the "citation" form of the word, but actual words with case endings are built up using the stem related to the citation form of the word...I think it's always the genitive stem...???....and then the case ending is added to that stem. Words that end in"-nen" have stems that end in "se-"

Here's another link that might be useful:

http://users.jyu.fi/~pamakine/kieli/suo ... varen.html

There's stuff in there about -uus/-yys /-us/-ys words...

I think it is probably better in the early stages to accept that certain patterns exist rather than wonder why they are that way.... I know it was difficult for me to do that, though...being very analytical, I would usually what to know why the words take certain forms.... :wink:


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