Tulli charging EU goods?

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Tulli charging EU goods?

Post by simaka » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:19 pm

Hello,

Did a quick search but couldn't find case like mine. I ordered headphones for ~50 GBP from UK and today when I got home I found a letter from tulli. From what I understand, they are asking me for something like 24.8 Euros. I will of course go Monday morning to clear the vat and import tax, but is it normal that I am being charged for electronics bought within EU?


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Re: Tulli charging EU goods?

Post by Jukka Aho » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:32 pm

simaka wrote:Did a quick search but couldn't find case like mine. I ordered headphones for ~50 GBP from UK and today when I got home I found a letter from tulli. From what I understand, they are asking me for something like 24.8 Euros. I will of course go Monday morning to clear the vat and import tax, but is it normal that I am being charged for electronics bought within EU?
Are you sure it was mailed to you from within the EU? There are sellers on ebay.co.uk (for instance) who list their goods in pounds sterling but are actually based in Hong Kong.

The letter you received says EU:n ulkopuolelta tuodut tai tilatut tavarat täytyy tullata, jos tavaroiden arvo ylittää 22,00 EUR (“Goods imported or ordered from outside the EU must be declared if their value exceeds 22.00 EUR.”)

Note that you should also be able to declare the goods and pay the duties via their online service, without necessarily visiting them in person.
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Re: Tulli charging EU goods?

Post by simaka » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:46 pm

Hey,

It really is from the UK, this is on the top right of the same piece of paper:

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And yes, the goods are from a seller on ebay with good feedback... but that doesn't matter if the address listed as originating (I assume) is in UK.

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Post by Jukka Aho » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:01 am

simaka wrote:It really is from the UK, this is on the top right of the same piece of paper:

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Ah! But Jersey is a special case. It belongs to the EU customs union but not to the EU VAT area. If the value of the shipment exceeds €22, they’ll collect the Finnish VAT rates from you according to the type(s) of goods you ordered.
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Re: Tulli charging EU goods?

Post by simaka » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:07 am

Thanks for this info... I will try to do the customs clearance online as suggested by you.

Funny though, I am an old ebayer and never had an idea that there are places in EU that are exceptions to the general rules..

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Post by Jukka Aho » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:16 am

simaka wrote:Funny though, I am an old ebayer and never had an idea that there are places in EU that are exceptions to the general rules..
Jersey is actually not part of the EU, and not part of the United Kingdom, either. It is also usually listed as a tax haven. You can check out its rather peculiar status here.
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Post by simaka » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:44 am

Double-checked in ebay, the seller is listing himself as located in "Jersey, UK". Opened a case in the resolution center - as pointed by you - this is not really UK... Will see what happens, might get the money for the clearance back.

I tried to login to the tulli website for online clearance - seems I have to activate some kind of mobile authentication at Sonera first, and as I understand it I will have to go their shop to finish that...

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Post by Jukka Aho » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:50 am

simaka wrote:I tried to login to the tulli website for online clearance - seems I have to activate some kind of mobile authentication at Sonera first, and as I understand it I will have to go their shop to finish that...
There are two authentication (ID) methods on that page – Mobiilivarmenne (a mobile certificate tied to your SIM card) and Pankkitunnistus (identificating yourself using your online banking account.)

I’d recommend using the latter, if possible. At least some cellular carriers charge for the usage of the mobile certificate (possibly per use or per month?) whereas logging in to your bank account is generally free of charge.
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Re: Tulli charging EU goods?

Post by simaka » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:02 am

Hey,

I am here just for 4-5-6 months project... I didn't set up bank account or anything. From what I see on Sonera's website, it seems to be free. I might go to Kamppi tomorrow as I remember there was a Sonera shop there, which I presume will be open during the weekend.

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Post by Pursuivant » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:38 pm

Well the Åland islands are also "beyond the VAT border" - if you look at say amazon and play - they sent their DVD's from Jersey. Theres a Nordic equivalent who used Åland... was it now 1 or 2 DVD's were nicely under the "customs fee" limit. The EU dropped the amount of VAT free goods the other year which pretty much closed the loophole for bigger items.
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Post by riku2 » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:13 am

Pursuivant wrote:The EU dropped the amount of VAT free goods the other year which pretty much closed the loophole for bigger items.
That was not an EU decision but individual member states can decide what the threshold should be for collecting or ignoring VAT from items imported outside the EU.
Finland recently lowered it from 45 to 22 euro. Denmark almost lowered it to zero for magazines (since millions were being posted into denmark, avoiding 25% tax). The UK recently lowered it to zero for items from the channel islands http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/news/removal-lvcr.htm. Notice that this UK rule doesn't even apply to ALL non EU places, only the channel islands (just like the danish one was targeted directly at magazines).

To the OP you are unlikely to get something back from the ebay seller. Even someone living in the mainland UK should have paid extra VAT on import. Probably as a small seller they get away without charging the VAT but companies like play.com have almost shut up because of this change in the law. The headphones were over the limit for LVCR even a couple of years ago (when it was 18 pounds).

As for the finnish post office's online service - the bad thing about that is that it doesn't identify the package. So if you order several items from outside the EU and you get a letter, you don't know which one they are asking you about so must take a guess when going online which item to tell them about.

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Post by Pursuivant » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:19 am

Ah, so you can blame the greedy bastards in Eduskunta for something, and not only the EU :evil: :twisted: :lol:
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Post by Upphew » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:24 pm

riku2 wrote:Finland recently lowered it from 45 to 22 euro
From 10 to 5 euro in fact. That 22€ makes the VAT go over 5€.
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Re: Tulli charging EU goods?

Post by simaka » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:32 pm

I am sorry for reviving this old post, it's just to say that a after a few heated letters and a case open with paypal, the seller refunded me the import taxes that I paid.

Still I had to go to Vantaa during work hours, as I couldn't handle the clearance online ( I have no finnish bank account, social security number... I kind of don't exist here :-( )


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