Quitting a fixed-term contract

kcl · Post by **kcl** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:50 pm

Hi,

I hope someone can offer some advice for me.

I'm unhappy with my job (fixed-term contract, 4 years) due to high stress, lack of recognition, negative work environment, etc. and have applied and been offered a permanent contract elsewhere.

Therefore, I want to quit my current job.

Does anyone have any advice? I know I cannot resign under a fixed-term contract.

One detail is that I signed my contract some years ago, since then the organization was reformed under a new legal entity. I was never asked to sign a new contract with the new organization. Does this have any significance?

I have been in ongoing treatment from occupational health services for accute anxiety. I really do not feel like I can cope any longer at my current job so this change really means a lot to me.

Thanks for your advice!

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Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:08 pm

You really have to consult a lawyer.

Are you a member of an union?
If yes, your union likely offers free legal advice.

kcl · Post by **kcl** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:58 am

Yes, I am. I've asked but only received basic info that I already knew...

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:59 am

Well, the three ways are to reach an agreement, terminate or get sacked. So you can try go to your boss/hr, say you want to quit and see what they say. If they say no, go to the doctor and ask for sick leave for stress. Then you can demand a termination on health grounds. Or then last option is to flip the bird at the boss and start having 2 hour liquid lunches... that might do havoc on your CV and reference documents though. In principle if you just walk off they can ask for compensation on the expenses on hiring your replacement... in practice I don't know how often this happens.

But, have you said to your boss you are unhappy about all this you said?

high stress, lack of recognition, negative work environment, etc.

The high stress & negative work environment could be grounds for terminating already.

kcl · Post by **kcl** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:45 pm

Thanks for your advice.

On Friday, I was publicly humiliated at a meeting in front of the visting VIPS (as a joke but at my expense and presenting me in a very unprofessional light for the sake of a few laughs). If I wasn't so overworked and under appreciated, I guess I could shrugged it off as poor taste, but instead I left the meeting feeling entirely deflated, went straight to my doctor, and was immediately given one week sick leave.

With this and my need for ongoing treatment since the springtime, I guess an agreement for termination of the contract on health grounds would be worth a try.

It's not in my nature to slack off so I'm not sure if trying to get fired would be an option for me, but your suggestion anyhow made me smile.

Thanks

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:07 pm

You can contact the työsuojelu for a hostile workplace

kcl · Post by **kcl** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:55 pm

Roger, meditation is actually my go to source of solace, along with my caring family

I can wholeheartedly recommend this center (Helsinki) http://nirodha.fi/english/, if you're interested.

I don't think it's possible to meditate wrongly, really. Just sit cross legged, close your eyes, and try to concentrate yourself only on breathing in and out, letting go of all other thoughts. I can only sustain this calm nothingness for a couple seconds at a time during meditation (15-30 mins) but the exercise is very helpful.

Thanks for your kind reply, I really relate to what you've shared. I feel often very much the same way.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:56 pm

By the way your employer treated you, I think you have a valid reason to terminate the employment contract. Find some time and read the Finnish Employment Contracts Act found here: http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset ... 010055.pdf

Best of luck!

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:09 pm

Brent wrote:By the way your employer treated you, I think you have a valid reason to terminate the employment contract. Find some time and read the Finnish Employment Contracts Act found here: http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset ... 010055.pdf

If you actually want to be helpful, you should specify which section of this act exactly is the basis for your I think you have a valid reason.

Just making wild guesses and then providing a link to a law you didn't even bother to read yourself is just a waste of time...

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:41 am

Adrian42 wrote:
Brent wrote:By the way your employer treated you, I think you have a valid reason to terminate the employment contract. Find some time and read the Finnish Employment Contracts Act found here: http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset ... 010055.pdf
If you actually want to be helpful, you should specify which section of this act exactly is the basis for your I think you have a valid reason.

Just making wild guesses and then providing a link to a law you didn't even bother to read yourself is just a waste of time...

How stupid is this?

I'm pretty sure he is capable of reading and finding the valid reason. What's wrong with you anyway? Why are you this nosey?

Who are you to judge the way I contribute to help others? If you consider yourself to be Mr. Helpful (the one and the only one) then be my guest and read it and spit out the section where the valid reason can be found if it's there.

Cheers!

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:48 am

Adrian42 wrote:You really have to consult a lawyer.

Are you a member of an union?
If yes, your union likely offers free legal advice.

Are you considering this to be helpful?

I'm pretty sure he has already figured it out that he needs a lawyer. That's the last step of action that he will be taking. Before that, he will try to find other solutions thus asking around.

Your so-called "advice" is worth more than GOLD, Mr. Helpful!

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:03 am

Brent wrote:Who are you to judge the way I contribute to help others?

What you doing is not helping anyone.

Giving your personal guess and then slapping a law you didn't bother to read at someone is lazy and even dangerous - and not at all helpful.

It is dangerous, since someone might get the wrong impression that you would actually have any clue of what you are talking about.

Brent wrote:If you consider yourself to be Mr. Helpful (the one and the only one) then be my guest and read it and spit out the section where the valid reason can be found if it's there.

When I quote a law or applicable official website, I usually cite exactly the relevant text.
And others here do the same.

And one sees a clear difference in the competences between people who base their opinions on because of EU law (most of the time what they say is wrong) and people who cite official websites or the relevant section of an applicable law.

When I don't have a clue, I just keep my mouth shut or refer the person asking to a place where proper advice is available.

Adrian42 · Post by **Adrian42** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:15 am

Brent wrote:
Adrian42 wrote:You really have to consult a lawyer.

Are you a member of an union?
If yes, your union likely offers free legal advice.
Are you considering this to be helpful?

I'm pretty sure he has already figured it out that he needs a lawyer. That's the last step of action that he will be taking. Before that, he will try to find other solutions thus asking around.

Your so-called "advice" is worth more than GOLD, Mr. Helpful!

Yes, this is helpful.

If the OP wants to get out of that situation, it is important to do the right steps and not to make any mistakes.
What grounds are acceptable, and how to prove them exactly?
I don't know.
You clearly also don't have a clue.

Not doing anything stupid based on advice by clueless people, but instead going to the right person, might save a lot of trouble.

Brent · Post by **Brent** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:31 am

Adrian42 wrote: Giving your personal guess and then slapping a law you didn't bother to read at someone is lazy and even dangerous - and not at all helpful.

It is dangerous, since someone might get the wrong impression that you would actually have any clue of what you are talking about.

Dangerous? Who in the world just blindly listen to some random peoples' advice without further investigating more? Perhaps you.. Oh well, this really says it all about your intelligency. Just take my word for it!

Adrian42 wrote: When I quote a law or applicable official website, I usually cite exactly the relevant text.
And others here do the same.

And one sees a clear difference in the competences between people who base their opinions on because of EU law (most of the time what they say is wrong) and people who cite official websites or the relevant section of an applicable law.

When I don't have a clue, I just keep my mouth shut or refer the person asking to a place where proper advice is available.

Even though you are a moderator of this forum..Who gives a damn what you do and how you do it? Should you require people to do the same way as you? Perhaps the moderator status has gone over your brain?

This is not a free legal service forum. This forum is to share opinion, advice and more. Stop behaving like an a**hole and act like a mod as you has been given the role to.

Tiwaz · Post by **Tiwaz** » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:28 am

Brent wrote: Dangerous? Who in the world just blindly listen to some random peoples' advice without further investigating more? Perhaps you.. Oh well, this really says it all about your intelligency. Just take my word for it!

Your word is worth as much as your assistance. Nothing.

Have you read ANY of the material you linked? No? Then how the @#$% you have ANY idea if there is anything that would apply to case of OP?
Oh you don't? But give vague guess that there might be, trying to force OP to go through page upon page of legalese trying to guess if you knew something useful or not and if you did, whether it is this or that part which might fit the bill.

Even though you are a moderator of this forum..Who gives a damn what you do and how you do it? Should you require people to do the same way as you? Perhaps the moderator status has gone over your brain?

This is not a free legal service forum. This forum is to share opinion, advice and more. Stop behaving like an a**hole and act like a mod as you has been given the role to.

You only offered a @#$% website without any more precise point.
It is barely more useful than simply saying "Google it".

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