selecting student or racism in Finland?

raheleh1368 · Post by **raheleh1368** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:50 am

They have shown in their website that all of student can apply for our university . they accepted us for entrance exam! they knew that embassy will not give visa to student because last 3 years students had this problem. just third world country has no chance to take exam. they did not do anything to solve the last years problem and again accepted new students. we had to pay much money for translation documents and posting . this is not fair!!!!! this is called racism !!!!

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Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:52 am

Oh no! What have you done?! With your emotional idiocy, now you've baited the other idiots here to post more emotional and senseless comments.

Back to your question. Nope, not racism. Many students come to Finland every year from third-world countries; India, Bangladesh, Nepal, Ethiopia, Egypt, Iraq, etc.
The education institution accepts your eligibility regardless of your race/nationality. That's the exact opposite of racism. What happens between you and the embassy/immigration is none of their business.

Many of them even go out of their way to organize entrance examinations outside Finland through the FINNIPS network in the following countries: Brazil, China, Estonia, Germany, Great Britain, Hungary, Kenya, Latvia, Nepal, Poland, Russia, Turkey, Vietnam.
This makes easy for a lot of people to travel to countries closer to them. It's also probably easier to get a visa to one of the closer countries than to Finland. If you picked a university that doesn't organize exams outside of Finland, then it's your own fault.

In short: No, not racism. You were just not prepared enough and it's your fault. You're now emotional and upset. Sit and think about this a bit deeper later when you're less upset.

raheleh1368 · Post by **raheleh1368** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:15 am

I have not rejected by embassy they did not even gave me any time to interview . a lot of students are like me not only me . all of us has sent a letter to embassy and university last years they did nothing . they did not let us to go abroad for exam.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:27 am

raheleh1368 wrote:They have shown in their website that all of student can apply for our university . they accepted us for entrance exam! they knew that embassy will not give visa to student because last 3 years students had this problem. just third world country has no chance to take exam. they did not do anything to solve the last years problem and again accepted new students. we had to pay much money for translation documents and posting . this is not fair!!!!! this is called racism !!!!

You can do the exam. Your problem is the visa. (did you even try to get it?)
If you cannot get a visa it's your own fault. You didn't fulfill the required conditions. (and those conditions have nothing to do with your race!)
There is little racism in Finland, and certainly not in official requirements. But crying racism for no good reason will get you a lot of negative responses.

rinso · Post by **rinso** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:30 am

raheleh1368 wrote:I have not rejected by embassy they did not even gave me any time to interview . a lot of students are like me not only me . all of us has sent a letter to embassy and university last years they did nothing . they did not let us to go abroad for exam.

You tried to get a visa by sending a letter?

Rosamunda · Post by **Rosamunda** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:16 pm

Finland used to conduct entrance examinations in many other countries but now there are much fewer entrance exams abroad. This is certainly a problem for many foreigners who would like to apply but do not have the financial means and/or the visas to travel. However, Finland is currently in a recession and cutbacks have been made. It costs a lot of money to organise examinations abroad. Of course, another way of solving the problem would be to introduce fees for foreign students... Finland just can't do everything for free and it would be quite unfair if they charged a fee only for the entrance examinations.

As for the visa situation, I don't understand why visas are not being granted for travelling to the exams. Presumably a tourist visa would be sufficient for a short visit.

caster · Post by **caster** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:54 pm

raheleh1368 wrote:They have shown in their website that all of student can apply for our university . they accepted us for entrance exam! they knew that embassy will not give visa to student because last 3 years students had this problem. just third world country has no chance to take exam. they did not do anything to solve the last years problem and again accepted new students. we had to pay much money for translation documents and posting . this is not fair!!!!! this is called racism !!!!

25 and still in diapers - stinky business it is - they don't make good diapers for third world.

HerraMopsi · Post by **HerraMopsi** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:57 pm

Finland gives out 1000s of foreigners student visas every year, so they can come to Finland and get their university degrees, while the Finnish taxpayer pays the bill. Such a racist country, this Finland...

Your entitlement knows no bounds, OP. I for one am hoping that they will introduce very stiff tuition fees for foreign students so self-entitled undesirables like you are prevented from coming to Finland.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:41 pm

They don't give visas for entrance examinations for the simple reason that of say 100 visas given maybe 10 showed up for the test. it was a back door that got too much abuse.

Flossy1978 · Post by **Flossy1978** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:48 pm

If you have no money to come to an exam, how on earth are you going to prove the 6000 odd euros you need per year to study here?

Also, if you are from Africa, Finland has apparently started banning students from certain countries, due to the amount of sh*tty stuff the people do to try and get into Finland.

You need to learn a bit more about life.

raheleh1368 · Post by **raheleh1368** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:25 am

I disappeared because it was our new year celebrity not for any other reasons. me and my friends sent several letters to university to do the exam in turkey but they did nothing we sent several letters to embassy to review the rules and a lot of other letters I am dis appointed now because I just wanted to go Finland. However, my sister is in Germany and my brother in Australia. I love Finland but the embassy do not let us to come to have an exam and the university do not let us to take exam in turkey . the exam is not for us .

thanks friends . I am disappointed and I can not do any thing . I have tried a lot. It is enough I think .

raheleh1368 · Post by **raheleh1368** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:27 am

Flossy1978 wrote:If you have no money to come to an exam, how on earth are you going to prove the 6000 odd euros you need per year to study here?

Also, if you are from Africa, Finland has apparently started banning students from certain countries, due to the amount of sh*tty stuff the people do to try and get into Finland.

You need to learn a bit more about life.

Hey come on !!!! I have enough money to stay for four years of study and my family support me . I have all requirements . the embassy do not let us to come for exam ! this is the case . How did you predict my money

raheleh1368 · Post by **raheleh1368** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:29 am

tummansininen wrote:You still aren't listening. It's not the university that needs to fix anything. Why are you complaining that the university hasn't done anything?

There are procedures for getting a visa and it takes time and there are MASSIVE numbers of people applying at this time of year. Now... does Finland earn any money for dealing your visa? (No.) So are you complaining that Finland should spend more money on visa processing? Why should we... what's in it for us? More complaining and rude students that don't do anything for our country?

If you think Finland is so bad why don't you just go to an excellent university in your country instead?

Yes buddy . I am rude . thanks for your politeness and kindness to all my effortless to come and my disappointment.

sammy · Post by **sammy** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:41 pm

Hiya. Popped in after a very long period of not doing so.

Thought I'd comment on this. In short, there's a lot of hot air in the comments

perhaps because the term "visa" is a bit ambiguous. But also because not everyone has encountered the problem at hand; the original poster has indeed got a good point (regardless if it classifies as direct or indirect "racism" or not).

It's not always question of whether one's entrance exam visa application is successful. Bluntly speaking, for some applicants the option of "entrance exam visa" does not exist. And it's not alway possible to take the exam abroad, as someone already pointed out.

The below is the worst case scenario for some applicants - in Bachelor's level admissions mostly, due to the compulsory entrance exam.

1) The student applies for admission, from country X - sends in documentation etc. at his/her own cost.
2) He/she is considered an eligible applicant -> a letter of invitation is sent; in effect, this often means he/she is required to travel to Finland to take the exam. (The exam abroad" option is not offered or allowed to all applicants.)
3) Now comes the tricky bit, which some posters are perhaps not aware of. The Finnish embassy in country X categorically does not grant visas to Finland for the purpose of taking an entrance exam*. It's not a question whether the visa application is "kosher" or not, they just do not grant entrance exam visas at all. Period.
4) Result: applicant cannot take part in entrance exam either in Finland or abroad -> he/she has simply no chance of getting admitted.

In a case like this, the applicant has no chance to pass through the hoops - regardless of how good he/she is academically speaking. Just because he/she happens to apply from country X.

Are you still laughing at the original poster? I'm not. This is a real issue which still remains unsolved.
I would also get a bit miffed if treated like that.

And it's going to get really, really interesting in the near future with the "application fees" for non-EU/EEA students...

*) For example check the pages of the Finnish embassy in Abuja: ""Please note that the Embassy does NOT grant visas for attending school entrance exams [...] in Finland." Pursuivant is right of course, they have their reasons, but still... I do find it a bit unfair. Well... life is?

HerraMopsi · Post by **HerraMopsi** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:48 pm

sammy wrote:
In a case like this, the applicant has no chance to pass through the hoops - regardless of how good he/she is academically speaking. Just because he/she happens to apply from country X.

Are you still laughing at the original poster? I'm not. This is a real issue which still remains unsolved.

If you're a foreigner seeking to pursue an academic degree in Finland, the first thing you need to do is to find out if the actions of your compatriots have led to your country being black-listed by the Finnish authorities. If that is the case, the solution to your plight is very simple: Apply somewhere else.

This is a complete non-issue and has nothing to do with 'racism'.

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