Job search after graduation.

lars_88 · Post by **lars_88** » Fri May 22, 2015 7:08 pm

Hello everyone,

I graduated from a Finnish polytechnic last year and started my masters from September. The masters didn't turn out good and I ended up having almost 0 credits last year. Now can I apply or use the right of using 6 months or 1 year RP to search a job (which is available for fresh graduates )? It's not written clearly on the migri website. Anyone with similar situation?

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caster · Post by **caster** » Mon May 25, 2015 3:12 pm

we live in intoxicated world so anything is possible such as admission in master's program - 0 ECTS in a year

I doubt your bachelor degree

Jokes apart - after what you told - you must know that you are abnormally lucky - so I do not see anything that restrict you getting an extended RP or in couple of years securing Phd place

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Mon May 25, 2015 3:54 pm

lars_88 wrote: I graduated from a Finnish polytechnic last year and started my masters from September. The masters didn't turn out good and I ended up having almost 0 credits last year. Now can I apply or use the right of using 6 months or 1 year RP to search a job (which is available for fresh graduates )? It's not written clearly on the migri website. Anyone with similar situation?

Migri is not clear on it because the law isn't either. The proposal that added the relevant sections does not give a clear answer:

https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/Halli ... 8+2005.pdf

It could be a valid strategy to apply for RP on this basis and be prepared to appeal. The processing of the appeals will give you some time to search for a job.

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Mon May 25, 2015 3:57 pm

A friend of mine was in the exact situation. He applied for an extension and it was refused. He appealed and his appeal was accepted due to the vagueness of the law.

Also, caster, are you now the non-Finnish onkko?

caster · Post by **caster** » Mon May 25, 2015 7:17 pm

adnan wrote:A friend of mine was in the exact situation. He applied for an extension and it was refused. He appealed and his appeal was accepted due to the vagueness of the law.

Also, caster, are you now the non-Finnish onkko?

One does not have to be a Finn or non Finn to realise something is wrong - as per OP zero credit in 1 year is unbelievable - whereas a student must have to have a min of 40-45 credits per year to justify the investment made by the state and to ensure RP extension - I do not know about you but I never heard of a situation in my life where someone keep on investing blindly for nothing.

As far as your onki to fish someone to chitchat about onkko - no thanks - its unethical. But if onkko has stepped on your tail ask him/her yourself - nicely.

Flossy1978 · Post by **Flossy1978** » Mon May 25, 2015 8:36 pm

How do you get away with zero credits??? Didn't you get warnings during the school year?

What were you doing? I suspect you were probably working. And working illegally, as in too many hours.

What a weird situation.

007 · Post by **007** » Mon May 25, 2015 8:49 pm

I think 'job search period' which used to be just 6 months, now 1 year (in effect?).. can be used at any given time after the graduation. I read that rule somewhere.... years ago of course.. but I think it's there.

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Mon May 25, 2015 9:17 pm

caster wrote:whereas a student must have to have a min of 40-45 credits per year to justify the investment made by the state and to ensure RP extension

OP is talking about post-graduation extension. He's not talking about a study permit extension.

lars_88 · Post by **lars_88** » Mon May 25, 2015 9:19 pm

Thanks you everyone for the replies means a lot to me.

As far as my bachelors degree concern I graduated with 4.10 grades in IT.
I was accepted in only one university which was my last choice so I accepted study place and started studying I attended 70% of the classes but It only made me frustrated the way of teaching and all. I begun searching IT jobs doing my personal projects moved to another cities searching better jobs but no luck. Then at the end of April I had personal family problem that led to not completing final assignments that are required to get grades and I didn't want to beg to the teacher. Now I am looking for the 6 or 1 months time to find a proper job, If not I'll and have to leave Finland.

caster · Post by **caster** » Mon May 25, 2015 9:59 pm

adnan wrote:
caster wrote:whereas a student must have to have a min of 40-45 credits per year to justify the investment made by the state and to ensure RP extension
OP is talking about post-graduation extension. He's not talking about a study permit extension.

Post graduation job search period starts with effect from the date of graduation + 6 months at max (since newer law post graduation 12 months period came into force recently that does not cover OP.

Once the OP had chosen masters program over 6/12 months grace period for job search - he/she had surrendered the right already. Provided OP could have managed to secure reasonable credits that would have made him/her eligible again for grace period of 1 year that never happened.

lars_88 · Post by **lars_88** » Mon May 25, 2015 10:20 pm

I don't why I am being looked at like someone who did something illegal and still wants to reside here, the point was one wrong decision of accepting
a study place which was never my choice. How can you be so sure that I do not have the right of 6 or 1 years for job seeking, I thought I saved the right by not using immediately after my graduation how can you compare the time elapsed studying with time elapsed seeking job full time? I don't know I am confused here anyone with any legal proof/law that I can't use that right because I joined masters?

lars_88 · Post by **lars_88** » Mon May 25, 2015 11:13 pm

I just checked the latest amendment to the alien act and its says this:

55 §

Jatkoluvan pituus

Tilapäinen oleskelulupa Suomessa tutkinnon suorittaneelle myönnetään 54 §:n 4 momentin nojalla yhden kerran enintään yhdeksi vuodeksi edellisen oleskeluluvan päättymisestä.

once for a maximum period of one year preceding the expiry of the residence permit.

the residence permit here is not clarified ( residence permit that I have now or the one I had last year? ) so I think I can use this in appeal?

007 · Post by **007** » Mon May 25, 2015 11:22 pm

lars_88 wrote:I just checked the latest amendment to the alien act and its says this:

55 §

Jatkoluvan pituus

Tilapäinen oleskelulupa Suomessa tutkinnon suorittaneelle myönnetään 54 §:n 4 momentin nojalla yhden kerran enintään yhdeksi vuodeksi edellisen oleskeluluvan päättymisestä.

once for a maximum period of one year preceding the expiry of the residence permit.
the residence permit here is not clarified ( residence permit that I have now or the one I had last year? ) so I think I can use this in appeal?

the one you have now..... you should apply for an extension based on 'job search' ground before your current permit runs out.

Beep_Boop · Post by **Beep_Boop** » Mon May 25, 2015 11:53 pm

lars_88 wrote:I don't why I am being looked at like someone who did something illegal and still wants to reside here,

Just disregard the comments written by the mentally challenged.

caster · Post by **caster** » Tue May 26, 2015 12:10 am

lars_88 wrote:I don't why I am being looked at like someone who did something illegal and still wants to reside here, the point was one wrong decision of accepting
a study place which was never my choice. How can you be so sure that I do not have the right of 6 or 1 years for job seeking, I thought I saved the right by not using immediately after my graduation how can you compare the time elapsed studying with time elapsed seeking job full time? I don't know I am confused here anyone with any legal proof/law that I can't use that right because I joined masters?

Any idea about the average annual tuition fee for master's program in EU - yes its approx. 15000 euros - so point mentioning is that that in Finland its paid by state and in return what state requires from a student is just 45 credits. It is a common practice to get loan for studies that students pay back after they graduate. So mentioning all this crap is not to tell you that you have done an illegal thing but to make you realise the value of money and time because we just can't use control Z always.

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