Recommended petrol

[kimster46]

There are many brands of petrol available in capital area, some are cheaper, some are bit expensive. I currently use Shell vpower nitro, which seems to be bit high end in the range. From the manual of my car, I can see my car can run on e95,also I read in internet, using such high octane petrol may not be much use as car can be calibrated to use E95. So thinking of changing to e95.

Which brand of petrol you use or is there a recommendation on brand?

[betelgeuse]

Which brand of petrol you use or is there a recommendation on brand?

Cheapest that is suitable to the engine.

[Piet]

There are many brands of petrol available in capital area, some are cheaper, some are bit expensive. I currently use Shell vpower nitro, which seems to be bit high end in the range. From the manual of my car, I can see my car can run on e95,also I read in internet, using such high octane petrol may not be much use as car can be calibrated to use E95. So thinking of changing to e95.

Which brand of petrol you use or is there a recommendation on brand?

What car?

Just remember the E5 (98) will run more miles a gallon,or in EU terms kilometres per liter so in the end it does not matter that much.

Exeption is the Shell Vpower, this is too expensive and is purely for getting your engine clean and I would recommend it to high performance motorbikes and tuned cars (like mine )

For general use: if the car is from before 1990, use the E5 (98) always, and just search the cheapest (most likely Teboil)

If the car is newer than ±1992 (depends a little on the brand) the car will automatically adjust for the fuel when you get the E10 (95) and here again, just go for the cheapest one. If your car is big and drinks a lot, use the E5 (98) it will as said before, give you a better mileage (or performance).

If you have a relatively new or small car, get the E10 (95)

Example: Volvo S80 2012 get the E5, Toyota Yaris 2010, get the E10, Mv Agusta F4, get the Shell Vpower

[FinnGuyHelsinki]

Most gasoline sold in Finland originates from Neste, there may be slight differences but for all practical purposes they're the same. All gasoline cars sold in the EU must run using 95E, i.e. they won't break, albeit may produce less power. 98 octane makes sense in rare occasions where an older car does not work properly with 10% ethanol content fuel, you absolutely want to squeeze every ounce of power out of the car or have had the engine tuned specifically for 98 octane (so that it would knock and hence might break using 95). Shell V-Power is a marketing name, without a data sheet there's really no telling what it is and to make things even more difficult, it varies between countries. In Finland it has changed over time from 99+ octane to exact same as St1 98 fuel to whatever Nitro+ is. I wouldn't waste my money on it, even if it would perform as advertised, it will not prevent the engine from breaking if it's not otherwise running properly, no-one will notice the possible difference in power while driving and there are dedicated additives for cleaning the fuel system and cylinders if that's needed.

[riku2]

I used to work for BP Oil HQ in England and petrol sold at petrol stations comes from a few refineries (7 in the UK) based on the location of the refinery and not the owner of it. So petrol stations in Scotland got their petrol from the Grangemouth refinery. If you filled up at Shell or BP or Esso in Scotland it all came from Grangemouth. The refinery will supply different octane rating fuel but I would never consider that Neste 95e is any better/worse than Shell 95e. There are only two refineries in Finland (Porvoo and Naantali) so I would assume all petrol sold in Finland comes from there. Both are owned by Neste.

[Marsh04]

98E mostly gives slightly more milage so you don't lose if you use it instead of 95E.

One thing to remember is not to fill your tank from stations where there is a kahvila/shop with the station, they tend to charge more. Mostly they give a slightly different name to their petrol or an added name alongwith 95/98E (super etc) to sell the same product at higher prices . I've noticed at some petrol stations the price of supposedly different product drops to normal product price when the adjacent shop is closed during the night .

[riku2]

Another tip is do not repeatedly try to top up the tank. if you look at the nozzle end on there's a small section at the bottom, this sucks petrol back into the pump and it's how the pump knows the tank is full. you don't get a credit for the petrol sucked back up. each time the nozzle clicks you lose a bit of fuel.

[Piet]

98E mostly gives slightly more milage so you don't lose if you use it instead of 95E.

Remember that this is only true for the E10 (95) and E5 (98). For cars build using normal 95 (without the added 10% of Ethanol) using 98 (without the added 5%) will make no difference and is a waste of money.

Shell V-Power is a marketing name, without a data sheet there's really no telling what it is and to make things even more difficult, it varies between countries. In Finland it has changed over time from 99+ octane to exact same as St1 98 fuel to whatever Nitro+ is. I wouldn't waste my money on it, even if it would perform as advertised, it will not prevent the engine from breaking if it's not otherwise running properly, no-one will notice the possible difference in power while driving and there are dedicated additives for cleaning the fuel system and cylinders if that's needed.

That is why V-power is mostly recommended (by me and others) to use in high performance 2 wheel pieces of art.

Shell VPower is a Top Tier gasoline that has five times the cleaning agents required by federal standards, helping to deliver maximum protection against performance-robbing gunk, allowing your engine to achieve optimal performance

It will prevent the need for "dedicated additives" in order to clean the engine, it is better that the engine does not get dirty in the first place. This will guarantee longer Engine life and less wear which is very important for non Japanese/Germany/Swiss bikes, mostly better for the Italian ones, hence they are no "BMW like reliable technique build" bikes.

[Karhunkoski]

Another tip is do not repeatedly try to top up the tank. if you look at the nozzle end on there's a small section at the bottom, this sucks petrol back into the pump and it's how the pump knows the tank is full. you don't get a credit for the petrol sucked back up. each time the nozzle clicks you lose a bit of fuel.

I remember hearing this some time ago and then being told it was a myth. Not saying you're wrong, but do you have a reliable source for this?

[Rosamunda]

One thing to remember is not to fill your tank from stations where there is a kahvila/shop with the station, they tend to charge more.

At ABC stations you are effectively paying for the loyalty points you get on your S card. That's why they are more expensive. But I have never bothered to work out if the points really equate to the higher price per litre.

The price comparison is here: http://www.polttoaine.net/Helsinki
Cheapest is Neste Oil Express (no frills, self-service, pay at the pump)
Most expensive is ABC.

[riku2]

Neste express is really one of my favourites since they are often the cheapest. Even their petrol station on the tampere motorway just north of ring 3 is cheap

https://goo.gl/maps/ygfSktk4TMN2

The prices are not the same on both sides of the motorway though. In the google photo you can see southbound (heading towards helsinki) diesel is 1.45 but northbound is 1.53! 8 cents/litre different. This probably explains why the northbound price sign is side on to the motorway so you can't really see it! I think the logic is that for people leaving the city this is a last place to fill up, those returning to the city will soon encounter other petrol stations. There is always this substantial difference between the two sides.

[Upphew]

At ABC stations you are effectively paying for the loyalty points you get on your S card. That's why they are more expensive. But I have never bothered to work out if the points really equate to the higher price per litre.

When I last took closer look, it was few years ago, their prices seemed to be quite close to the cheapest station in the neighborhood. Plus the maximum bonus level 5%. So yeah, it makes sense to fill up in ABC if you can keep the bonus level at maximum. For small families or singles it is nearly impossible.

[Rip]

Plus the maximum bonus level 5%. So yeah, it makes sense to fill up in ABC if you can keep the bonus level at maximum. For small families or singles it is nearly impossible.

Because of the progressive nature of the bonus system (+ the 0.5% for paying with their card) to get about 5% (or more) on "margin" (last level) I think you need only something like 400€ as monthly spending. Not that hard even for a bit smaller family, especially if you do visit their gas stations.

(but I think relatively few will go to ABC just to get gas)

[Upphew]

Plus the maximum bonus level 5%. So yeah, it makes sense to fill up in ABC if you can keep the bonus level at maximum. For small families or singles it is nearly impossible.

Because of the progressive nature of the bonus system (+ the 0.5% for paying with their card) to get about 5% (or more) on "margin" (last level) I think you need only something like 400€ as monthly spending. Not that hard even for a bit smaller family, especially if you do visit their gas stations.

(but I think relatively few will go to ABC just to get gas)

Wut? 400? More like 1200: https://www.s-kanava.fi/web/s/nain-bonu ... aokId=0530 or 1500 in HOK Elanto: https://www.s-kanava.fi/web/s/nain-bonu ... aokId=0117
This has nice table, but is few years old: http://yle.fi/uutiset/s-ryhman_osuuskau ... ti/6337205

[Rip]

On margin, or how much you can expect to get back on from additional euro (or hundred euros). Underlining assumption is that one spends a few hundred euros on S-group on monthly basis anyway (not everybody does, but if you have a bit of family that is pretty easy (especially when K-group is at least where I live usually more expensive).

HOK-ELANTO bonus calculation http://hokkampanja.xetnet.com/bonuslaskuri/

For first 300 you get (with the "maksutapaetu") 2.5% or 7.5€
How much do you get from the next 100€?
400 * 3% - 7.5 = 4.5€ or 4.5% and it gets higher after that on higher bonus steps.

Of course the incremental system makes the bonus lumpy, but calculating it over one full step gives a fair average.

So if I have a monthly grocery bill from S-markets/Prisma around 300€ (or more) no matter where I tank my car, I can assume i get - on average - back 4.5% (or more) from the meter price if I tank my car at ABC.