Residence Permit Extension

Random Dude · Post by **Random Dude** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:55 pm

Hello guys! At the moment I have a 1 year A permit and will have to apply for a new one (which is hopefully a 4 years A permit) in a couple of months.Furthermore, I am currently working full-time but with a zero hour contract. So, I was wondering when I apply for my next permit, would the fact that the contract in itself is zero hours cause any problems?

Of course, I would be able to show that despite what it says in the contract, my work has been full time for the last 6 months but my contract would still imply that I could in fact be with essentially no work immediately.

Does anyone know anything about these situations or has previous experience? I would really appreciate any insight! Thanks.

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rinso · Post by **rinso** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:06 pm

Random Dude wrote:Hello guys! At the moment I have a 1 year A permit and will have to apply for a new one (which is hopefully a 4 years A permit) in a couple of months.Furthermore, I am currently working full-time but with a zero hour contract. So, I was wondering when I apply for my next permit, would the fact that the contract in itself is zero hours cause any problems?

Of course, I would be able to show that despite what it says in the contract, my work has been full time for the last 6 months but my contract would still imply that I could in fact be with essentially no work immediately.

Does anyone know anything about these situations or has previous experience? I would really appreciate any insight! Thanks.

Was your first RP also based on a zero hour contract?
It would be strange if they allow it the first time and refuse it the second time.

Random Dude · Post by **Random Dude** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:37 pm

No, I got the first one from a different job. the thing is my previous contract wasn't specifically zero hour contract but it also didn't exactly specify the numbers of hours in a week... it just said that I would have a certain delivery area ( I was a newspaper deliverer) and my working hours would depend on that.

However, my current job definitely is a zero hour contract and they are in no way bound to give me work if they do not want to! Therefore, despite the fact that my work history says I am working full time over a period of time, in a way I can see why it could be a problem?

But then again, a lot of employers specially in the !"#¤% immigrant job I do, seem to only provide zero hour contracts, I was wondering if anyone knew about what could be the likely scenario for my application?

Piet · Post by **Piet** » Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:47 pm

Random Dude wrote:No, I got the first one from a different job. the thing is my previous contract wasn't specifically zero hour contract but it also didn't exactly specify the numbers of hours in a week... it just said that I would have a certain delivery area ( I was a newspaper deliverer) and my working hours would depend on that.

However, my current job definitely is a zero hour contract and they are in no way bound to give me work if they do not want to! Therefore, despite the fact that my work history says I am working full time over a period of time, in a way I can see why it could be a problem?

But then again, a lot of employers specially in the !"#¤% immigrant job I do, seem to only provide zero hour contracts, I was wondering if anyone knew about what could be the likely scenario for my application?

I think there will come a solution in the future, when zero hour contracts are banned... if that ever happens with this government

.. would be a step forwards.

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:20 am

I have a bad omen here the 0-hours translates to 0-chance

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:57 am

Piet wrote: I think there will come a solution in the future, when zero hour contracts are banned...

Banned? Probably become more common. Haven't you listened to any of the talk coming from Brussels and Helsinki. The workers have had it too good; they must come more flexible.

cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:38 am

You need a legal contract from a company that passes the inspection stage.
Many people come through migri(entry) not poliisi with 0-40hr contracts , i did 3-4 years ago.
If you earned enough money to stay here in the previous year/s and proved it using palkka slips/taxreturn etc then i don't believe its an acceptable reason to deny a permit, in other words you can fight the decision.

cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:49 am

cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:51 am

Piet wrote:
I think there will come a solution in the future, when zero hour contracts are banned...

If 0 hr employment agreement is legislated as illegal then it will simply be replaced by a minimum shift (eg 4hrs) according to the service sector collective agreement details.

I cant see the finnish brain saying that 1hr in 3 weeks is any different from a 0hr in 3 weeks or 3hrs in 3 weeks but a minimum shift on contract would really valididate the stupidness of contracting in EU.
But remember that i believe finland uses 0hr contracting in how they fudge the statistics. Theres a lot of people classed as employed that dont get much from anywhere.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Sat Nov 21, 2015 10:09 pm

Random Dude wrote: However, my current job definitely is a zero hour contract and they are in no way bound to give me work if they do not want to! Therefore, despite the fact that my work history says I am working full time over a period of time, in a way I can see why it could be a problem?

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2 ... 0301#L4P39

You need to convince them that you don't need income support or comparable social security regularly. If you have savings, a zero hour contract is no problem because those will support you if they give you no hours. Without savings it comes down to how the officials see it and I don't know their policies for it. My guess would be that it's not a problem since you have been getting steady hours.

Random Dude · Post by **Random Dude** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:30 am

Thanks a lot guys for the info. I should definitely look into having some savings during the time of my application. Also, I shall try to contact the Poliisi for some information on this issue.

As far as zero hour contracts go, I for one have no problem with them (at least in the service sector that I am in) but as more and more common they are getting, I believe they should be considered somewhat of a regular source of income as long as you have a history of regular work with the contract.

cors187 · Post by **cors187** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:00 pm

Random Dude wrote:Thanks a lot guys for the info. I should definitely look into having some savings during the time of my application. Also, I shall try to contact the Poliisi for some information on this issue.

They just want your income amounts. It doesnt matter if you saved it or not because they know no one has saved money,not even them.

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