Getting a moroccan into Finland?

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Post by sinikala » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:19 pm

sorry, it's just me wrote:Well, he might want to come to Finland because he can't get a well payed job there and I have my studies still here.
And ofcourse I am even scared of going there let a lone move there because I have never left the nordic countries... I'm a chicken you now...
I don't think age has been mentioned.

I'm guessing you are still at high school?


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Post by EP » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:20 pm

nd besides who is to say what it is to be "in love". I don't. I might as well be as I don't know what that is...
Yes, you don´t know, because if you had ever been in love you would know what it feels like. I think you are in love with the idea of being in love.

Now I am blunt: You are naive beyond all belief.

And this is a true story: A girl met a Moroccon man on her holiday in Agadir. They got engaged during her holiday week. A bit later the guy came to Finland and they got married. The same day all his permits and papers were in order in marched his Moroccon girlfriend, and out flew the Finnish wife. After all, she was a slut not worthy of him.

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Post by Cod » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:29 pm

Can't you people see there are no absolutes in this world?
..yes well, I think I thought that way once too...and who can blame you...

..but yes, there are at least two absolutes in this world, taxes and death...if you can find a way to get away from either of them you'll make a cool mil' from the tv series..

there's an ancient Jewish book out there about absolute love...its not what many think it is....

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Post by sorry, it's just me » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:29 pm

No, actually I'm not in high school. By the way that's Upper secondary school in Finland. I'm studying my last year at the polytechnic. That makes me 22, if you must know.

He said I'm welcome in Morocco anyday and for the rest of my life if I want to.
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Post by EP » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:44 pm

OK, good for you. And please, go to Morocco, so you can see how things work out when people are from two cultures where the position of women are very different. He has grown up in his culture, and he cannot change his behavior and ideas just like that. But neither can you, and there is the reason why marriages to Moroccan men fail almost 100%. It is not like being married to a Finnish (or any western) man.

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Post by chriscross » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:02 pm

sorry, it's just me wrote:No, actually I'm not in high school. By the way that's Upper secondary school in Finland. I'm studying my last year at the polytechnic. That makes me 22, if you must know.

He said I'm welcome in Morocco anyday and for the rest of my life if I want to.
still havent told me why he wanted to get out of morocco so much


its not like its a third world country or a country thats at war with anyone

i mean you said yourself he wants to get out of morocco so much,,,if he had the choise would he come to finland or another country


has he even thought of where you want to live

someone said why not tell him you could live there with him ,,,and see if he is still intrested in you after a few days about talking about moving with him there...why not

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Post by chriscross » Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:04 pm

you may see a lot of people are giveing advice you proberly dont want to hear


but you do need to listen to your own heart,what can you loose?


how old i he buy the way
what is his job?
does he have any family etc

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Post by sorry, it's just me » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:26 pm

Well sometimes he seems like he doesn't wan't to leave moro, so how'd I know why he wants to leave. Ask the Spanish why so meny people try to get there on those boats.

He's 29 and he has a mother, a sister and brothers. I have been talking to one of his brothers too. And I have been talking with another moroccan man. I introduced him and my boyfriend and now they are friends. I don't understand his job. I guess he said he had a licence in law and he works in a travel agency.

And as he lives in Casablanca the cultural problems you are talking about are not so much cared for in such a big city. Sure there still are some.
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Post by nopa » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:46 pm

i dont know why they r making all this so complicated for u. is it just cause he is from morocco? so what? he can just come here for 3 months as a visit,or u go there meet eachothers and u know how it is like to live together for a while.
Most finnish marriage ends up with divorce,doesnt mean if he is from morocco so he will sure leaves u,or like someone said go look a blond girl in the bar. arent there many finn men who do that also? and isnt there any of u who is a foriegner married or living wih finn woman? why its easy for u but not for that morocco guy?

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Post by sorry, it's just me » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:40 pm

yep. even over half finnish-finnish marriages end up in a divorce. usually before 5 years.

It's not easy for my boyfriend either to tell his mother he wants to marry a foreigner...
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Post by chriscross » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:06 am

sorry, it's just me wrote:Well sometimes he seems like he doesn't wan't to leave moro, so how'd I know why he wants to leave. Ask the Spanish why so meny people try to get there on those boats.

He's 29 and he has a mother, a sister and brothers. I have been talking to one of his brothers too. And I have been talking with another moroccan man. I introduced him and my boyfriend and now they are friends. I don't understand his job. I guess he said he had a licence in law and he works in a travel agency.

And as he lives in Casablanca the cultural problems you are talking about are not so much cared for in such a big city. Sure there still are some.

ok im staying out of this now,,its getting more and more confusing

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Post by sorry, it's just me » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:42 am

what? it just means that I have talked with other moroccan men. Not just my boyfriend...
I mentioned that just friend to my boyfriend and my bf wanted to talk to him and now they are friends. I talk with him about our situation too and he's being more helpful than you are...
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Post by kay30 » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:21 am

Like everyone else has already said...

You are only 22. Please, please, please finish your studies first! Without your studies, you have nothing. It probably seems really exciting to ditch everything and run off with a man you barely know, but in reality, it is absolutely insane. You don't even really know anything about him. For all you know, he could be a con-man or, worse, a criminal.

Ask yourself: what kind of 29 year old man tries to convince a 22 year old woman, whom he has never met in person, to marry him? I think of all the guys I know, from different cultures, and NONE would ever do that.

If it is meant to be, he will still be there waiting for you after you are done with school. Then, live in his home country for at least a year. It is the only way you will see what he is truly like. Watch how he treats his mothers, sisters and other women there. Then, you will get an idea of how he will treat you when the love wears off a bit.

If, after all this, you are still blissfully happy, go for it.

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Post by Mark I. » Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:58 am

Marrying a european girl (Finnish girls are the easiest pray) is kind of business in Morocco. Like Nigerian business proposals.

You naive girl are in love with the idea of marrying an older Moroccoan man, who has admitted hunting for Norweigian girl before. I get a feeling his hobby is fishing for girls online.

Love, hah. In fact you don't know him at all. :roll:

Your virtual uncle is very, very angry if you do foolish things, girl. :evil:

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Re: Getting a moroccan into Finland?

Post by daryl » Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:08 pm

sorry, it's just me wrote:Is it really the easiest way to get your moroccan boyfriend
in Finland by first marrying him in Morocco?
And if you do that, does he have to have "secure means of support" while
aplying for the residence permit?
It's under the "Section 50 – Issuing residence permits to family members
of Finnish citizens" right? it's states there that it's not necessery...
And would he have to stay in Morocco until he gets the permit?
Or could he get into Finland before he get's it?
Is there an easier way to get him to Finland?
Job's are not easy to find and what would he study...
This thread has got sidetracked, attracting the interest of many familiar besserwissers on this forum but not really addressing the original question. Personally I prefer to reserve judgement on most of the discussion so far.

Section 50 of the Aliens Act must be read together with section 37 of the Act and in the light of certain background information. The questioner seems to be intelligent and can obviously read Finnish or Swedish, so I would suggest reading the relevant parts of the government bill (HE 28/2003). In particular, search the text for "solmi" in order to pick up examples of "avioliiton solmimistarkoitus", "solmia avioliitto" and similar expressions. You can find the government bill on the Finlex database here:
http://www.finlex.fi/fi/esitykset/he/2003/20030028

At this early stage, I would say that an application of this kind would be red flagged for the reasons explained in the detailed justifications for paragraph 4 of section 49 of the Act (even though this statute would not necessarily apply to the application). In particular, I direct your attention to this extract:
EU:n neuvosto on 4 päivänä joulukuuta 1997 antanut päätöslauselman toimenpiteistä lumeavioliittojen estämiseksi (97/C382/01). Päätöslauselmassa on määritelty seikkoja, joiden perusteella voidaan olettaa, että avioliitto on solmittu maahantulosäännösten kiertämiseksi. Tällaisia seikkoja ovat esimerkiksi yhteiselämän puuttuminen, avioliiton solmimisesta on maksettu rahaa, puolisoilla ei ole yhteistä kieltä, puolisot antavat ristiriitaisia henkilötietoja toisistaan tai se, että puolisot eivät ole kertaakaan tavanneet ennen avioliittoa.
Council resolutions of this kind are not legally binding, so none of the listed grounds gives sufficient reason for rejecting an application (which is why the holiday romance cases happen in the first place). However, the Directorate of Immigration is clearly entitled to investigate whether the main aim of a marriage or intended marriage is to evade immigration regulations. You both have to be ready to respond to that investigation or you will unwittingly torpedo your own application.

My own view of this matter is that it would probably be best to seek a residence permit avioliiton solmimistarkoituksessa, e.g. for six months. This gives you long enough to decide what you really want to do. On this note, I would add just one thing to the general discussion so far: chemistry is important - literally and figuratively. You must know your partner's genetic makeup (your nose will tell you subconsciously) and how your partner behaves.

Message me privately after you have looked at the government bill and followed up the background references a bit.

daryl
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