went to check new piano's price.
The only new pianos that are available in the store is samick, two small ones with around 2500e and one upright of 3100e.
Didn't like the yamaha digital, it is very close, however the keyboard feeling is still rather different, and the price is somewhere 1250e, not cheap.
There is one second piano which is fazer forte for 1000e, didn't get the clear history of it, 'Cause it just came in.
In my opinion a second hand fazer forte is rather too expensive with that price, but of course have to check the history first.
If not other choice, most likely will buy a new one, though the budget is much higher. There was posts said that only hella and fazer will keep good value for resale. Not really familiar with this samick brand. How is the reputation of this? if buying new one, what should I consider of? Do they normally delivery for free and tune the first time for free?
Just want to get a general picture so that I don't fooled around. The sales guy was very talktive and pushy.
advise needed for buying a piano
The sales guy must have been an American, huh?Ema wrote:The sales guy was very talktive and pushy.
I'm lurking on this topic 'cuz my daughter started playing the piano when she ws quite little and now (a young teen) plays beautifully. We have an upright handed down from great-grandma & get it tuned every year or so. My daughter sometimes practices on my mom's electric keyboard when we are visiting up there, but it doesn't have any footpedals and the keys feel very different to her. I think she much prefers the wood one at home.
Now now..where did ya go? alone or with a piano teacher? or an expert?...Ema wrote:went to check new piano's price.
The thing with these niche things are that you need to be in the know to buy from where...and only a good expert or piano teacher will know where they get the best deals and how much they can reduce from the original price...This does include keyboards..
Now for keyboards...Even Hongkong (Yukk for Pianos ) sells an electronic one for only 200 euros..
ok, I went alone to the only instrument shop in town. The seller must realised immidetely that I know very little about piano and not experienced.
Unfortunately I don't know any music teacher or tuner in the Kotka. I can't just pick up a name from yellow book and say that hi, I want to buy a piano, can you help? or Can I?
Unfortunately I don't know any music teacher or tuner in the Kotka. I can't just pick up a name from yellow book and say that hi, I want to buy a piano, can you help? or Can I?
See the discussion forums linked to the bottom of this post. Perhaps you could get more information or someone to help you by posting a question in one of them. (And if you’re worried about the language, people generally don’t mind an occasional English question/discussion on Finnish forums as long as they’re on-topic and have some obvious connection to Finland.)Ema wrote:ok, I went alone to the only instrument shop in town. The seller must realised immidetely that I know very little about piano and not experienced.
Unfortunately I don't know any music teacher or tuner in the Kotka. I can't just pick up a name from yellow book and say that hi, I want to buy a piano, can you help? or Can I?
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There are quite a few on this site today...
http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=57071426
http://www.huuto.net/fi/showitem.php3?itemid=57071426
Allie the Britmum, "äiti" to 3 boys, 10,9 and 7, & little princess, 4.
sorry, meant:
http://www.huuto.net/fi/cats/musisoitkosk-100.php3
http://www.huuto.net/fi/cats/musisoitkosk-100.php3
Allie the Britmum, "äiti" to 3 boys, 10,9 and 7, & little princess, 4.
thanks to Jukka and oompah18 for the link.
This piano buying plan really starts to burn me out. Yesterday I saw one on huuto net, looks good from the picture, then the whole morning, I dreamed about buying a white piano, talking with a tuner and such.
Yesterday, I was bit frustrated, thought that what the hell, I will just get to the shop buy a brand new and save all the headache, but then the huuto net ketp offering new second hand pianos with 1/3 price. I indeed could you use those spare many for other good purpose for my daughter. So, if second hand option is still open, would like to give it a try. But I have not yet able to figure out a way about the huuto net. I certainly can't not go check the piano, simply because there are new ones posted very other day, I can't check them all. I couldn't just hire a professional tuner to go around in different towns to check out either. But almost all the piano buying website give advises that one should check the piano out in person. So, what should I do? Pick up one and pray that I would get good luck? Anyone has experiences or thoughts would highly highly appreciated.
Meanwhile, I am trying with Jukka's link, see if I can get any help from town.
Thanks everyone indeed for following this subject and very enthusiastic about it.
This piano buying plan really starts to burn me out. Yesterday I saw one on huuto net, looks good from the picture, then the whole morning, I dreamed about buying a white piano, talking with a tuner and such.
Yesterday, I was bit frustrated, thought that what the hell, I will just get to the shop buy a brand new and save all the headache, but then the huuto net ketp offering new second hand pianos with 1/3 price. I indeed could you use those spare many for other good purpose for my daughter. So, if second hand option is still open, would like to give it a try. But I have not yet able to figure out a way about the huuto net. I certainly can't not go check the piano, simply because there are new ones posted very other day, I can't check them all. I couldn't just hire a professional tuner to go around in different towns to check out either. But almost all the piano buying website give advises that one should check the piano out in person. So, what should I do? Pick up one and pray that I would get good luck? Anyone has experiences or thoughts would highly highly appreciated.
Meanwhile, I am trying with Jukka's link, see if I can get any help from town.
Thanks everyone indeed for following this subject and very enthusiastic about it.
As I said before, you have a gazillion options with an electric one as opposed to one with a real Piano..
But then These days, you will notice that the difference is not that much especially for learning for kids..
The real piano might be hard for people who learnt with the electronic one but then..the electronic one can emulate a church organ that a real piano cant do..
Even though I own one...This is my opinion and advice..
But then These days, you will notice that the difference is not that much especially for learning for kids..
The real piano might be hard for people who learnt with the electronic one but then..the electronic one can emulate a church organ that a real piano cant do..
Even though I own one...This is my opinion and advice..
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My wife is a professional Violinist, and so must play high standard of Piano.
Actually she is also a trained Strings and piano teacher. We are moving in a few months, maybe 6 weeks or so. Taking her Piano, which IS NOT top of the range, maybe impossible or at least painful. She has it tuned by a guy from Helsinki (people she knows) who goes around tuning stuff, whilst playing in different areas.
Bottom line, IF you are interested in a second half decent thing, let me know and I will find out details and price (Not a fortune I assume). You are about 1 hour south of us, and maybe I can arrange delivery (Also Not a Fortune)
My wife is a professional Violinist, and so must play high standard of Piano.
Actually she is also a trained Strings and piano teacher. We are moving in a few months, maybe 6 weeks or so. Taking her Piano, which IS NOT top of the range, maybe impossible or at least painful. She has it tuned by a guy from Helsinki (people she knows) who goes around tuning stuff, whilst playing in different areas.
Bottom line, IF you are interested in a second half decent thing, let me know and I will find out details and price (Not a fortune I assume). You are about 1 hour south of us, and maybe I can arrange delivery (Also Not a Fortune)
I do not need to know you will attend my Funeral. I would rather you call just to say Hi !!
Piano
Yes, Yes, Yes,
Definately interested. Please give more details about the piano, such as the dimensions, when it was tuned last time, what's the model and such. Of course some pictures if you have.
Did you bring the piano from abroad or bought from local finland. It is definately not easy to move a piano around. There were some posts saying that moving an old piano from US to here, costs around 2000$, which is almost the same price as buying a ok quality one, not even mention the tuning cost and such after moving!
Definately interested. Please give more details about the piano, such as the dimensions, when it was tuned last time, what's the model and such. Of course some pictures if you have.
Did you bring the piano from abroad or bought from local finland. It is definately not easy to move a piano around. There were some posts saying that moving an old piano from US to here, costs around 2000$, which is almost the same price as buying a ok quality one, not even mention the tuning cost and such after moving!
I really don't get it why you would want a real piano.
There are a gazillion synths and computer programmes that would give you a great piano sound (like ten times better than you could do with a cheap, heavy out of tune piano that you would buy for 2,000 euros) at half the cost of a real cheap piano. We're talking 10,000 euros for a good baby grand that you could record from.
Even the sampled piano on garageband on a mac is much better than a real piano that you would buy from a music shop here in Finland.
A lot of amazing synths (like the new nord series) have such perfect piano sounds that professionals are diving all over themselves to use and play them and they cost less than 2000 euros are extremely well made and dont need a computer attached. The Nord synths are on sale in Finland. I had a demo ofone in Helsinki and was blown away by the fidelity of the sound.
There are a gazillion synths and computer programmes that would give you a great piano sound (like ten times better than you could do with a cheap, heavy out of tune piano that you would buy for 2,000 euros) at half the cost of a real cheap piano. We're talking 10,000 euros for a good baby grand that you could record from.
Even the sampled piano on garageband on a mac is much better than a real piano that you would buy from a music shop here in Finland.
A lot of amazing synths (like the new nord series) have such perfect piano sounds that professionals are diving all over themselves to use and play them and they cost less than 2000 euros are extremely well made and dont need a computer attached. The Nord synths are on sale in Finland. I had a demo ofone in Helsinki and was blown away by the fidelity of the sound.
This is whyI really don't get it why you would want a real piano.
articel from brochure produced by Piano Tuners and Technicians Association.
''A third consideration is the Digital Piano. Over the years, digital piano design has improved out of all sight. Pianos of current manufacture usually have good tone, and a feel that is not too distant from a real acoustic piano. Some early pianos had actions that while officially weighted, had a less than satisfactory feel. It should be pointed out that some current actions, especially in cheaper models of major brands, are not technically fully weighted. The mid range Yamaha digital pianos are a good indication of what a digital piano action should feel like. The Sample of the sound in early models was also, usually not of the best quality. The advantages of digital pianos are their light weight, which makes them easy to move for cleaning or relocation, their contemporary look for modern homes, lack of need for tuning, and a headphone facility. Most digital pianos have a MIDI facility, for interfacing with other instruments, tone modules, or computers. They also have a variety of sounds, which add to the enjoyment of the player. They are however, products of computer technology, and thus, are less likely to retain value, as new improved models are released periodically.''
I think that I am a bit old fashioned. I still keep the image that one will sit infront of a acoustic piano play classic music while electric one is for rock and roll
I know very well that electirc one is probable the most realistic choice for foreigners in Finland. The main reason that it holds me back was because when I test played with the electirc one in the shop (I think that it was a Roland), the feeling was still quite different. It is very close, but still not the same, and it is not cheap either.
And after surfing on huutonet everyday, it seems like I can get a piano with around 1000e, just have to be careful to pick a decent one. So, hopes are still high before I get badly kicked
We recently talked with our daughter's teacher at musikkiopisto about digital versus traditional for her. He said that to buy a good used piano it would cost at least 8,000 euros and recommended not buying a lower end used piano. He said it would be better to just buy a digital initially to learn on because the touch is slightly lighter so it is a bit easier for a young child. She could then use a traditional piano later or use one elsewhere for the time being (they have a good one at her school and her grandparents have one too).
Other people we have talked to have said that the only way to learn is with a traditional and recommended that buy a low end used one to start with.
We also talked with the music store about traditional versus electric. They said the electric piano had 3 different settings for pressure and that many people who say the traditional piano is the only way to go haven't tried the newest electric ones. He said even the music school had ordered electric ones. He was basically saying not to dismiss the digital pianos.
We aren't sure what we will buy yet. My husband has played the piano/keyboard for years so we are going to go in to a few places and do some kind of comparison.
Other people we have talked to have said that the only way to learn is with a traditional and recommended that buy a low end used one to start with.
We also talked with the music store about traditional versus electric. They said the electric piano had 3 different settings for pressure and that many people who say the traditional piano is the only way to go haven't tried the newest electric ones. He said even the music school had ordered electric ones. He was basically saying not to dismiss the digital pianos.
We aren't sure what we will buy yet. My husband has played the piano/keyboard for years so we are going to go in to a few places and do some kind of comparison.